The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony (cover)

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The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony (cover)

 
The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover.  I do everything on it.  Scribble something back if u have some time.  Thx.
 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1350905&songID=12889976
 
10/03/14 - I adjusted the vocs so they are more centered.  Took some verb off the vocs & snare.  Still too wet, what do you think?
 
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/16 10:08:26 (permalink)
    My initial thought is to much reverb and it sounds scooped in the middle, almost hollow.  The snare is a little to forward as well.
     
    Sounds like you are generally on the right track the mix just needs some tweaking.
     
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/16 12:29:11 (permalink)
    Agree with Wookiee.  Try another mix.  I like the song and playing.

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/16 12:46:23 (permalink)
    I've always liked this song, and considering that I've heard it covered here several times, others do, too.  I agree that the mix is slightly off.  The snare drowns out the vocal and is too wet.  A little widening of the strings might help give this some spatial balance, as well.  Turn the vocal up, the snare and reverb down, and widen the strings, and see how that plays.  All in all, this is just a few minor tweaks from being a gem.

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/16 13:01:40 (permalink)
    My initial thouths, too: vocals up, snare reverb down, reduce snare brightness a bit.
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/16 20:39:17 (permalink)
    Wookiee, Rimshot, Lynn, panup...  Thanks for the suggestions, all excellent observations... I'm all over it...  
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/17 02:14:21 (permalink)
    Remix 3 is up.  Turned the vocal up, the snare and reverb down and addressed the hollow sound in the middle.  Anyway let me know what you think, appreciate it, thanks.
     
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/17 12:09:07 (permalink)
    Remix 3 comments:
     
    Ride cymbal is (still) too dominating. Cut treble or turn it down a couple of dB.
    Vocals need to be 3-4 dB louder.
    Going to right direction!
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/17 14:46:36 (permalink)
    Vocal needs to come up, as noted by Pan up, and the vocal reverb is pushing it back in the mix.  The ride is not overpowering here but that can be a subjective thing.
     
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/17 19:39:01 (permalink)
    panup & wookiee....  got it, thank you!
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/17 22:57:14 (permalink)
    The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony - Remix 4 is up.  Made adjustments, see opening post, thx... or go right to the tune, here's the link:
    Remix 4 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1350905&songID=12889976
     
    Brought vocs up, took a lot of verb off vocs, brought ride cymbol down 3 db's, took some high end off snare.
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/18 11:53:02 (permalink)
    OK the backing track is getting there this sounding much better.
     
    What are you doing to the VOX? its slipping from channel to channel here do you have some sort of widening on it.  If you do back off on the depth of the widening.
     
    Not wishing to teach you to suck eggs, but on the subject of reverb here is how I apply an overall mix reverb.
     
    1. Solo each track that has reverb
    2. start at zero send to reverb bus, apply that send level until you can hear it then back it off until it just disappears from your hearing.
    3. Then with all tracks live adjust individual track reverb sends until it sounds right.
     
    For individual track inserts remember to balance the mix or wet dry levels and listen with the overall reverb, if applied, as reverb can get messy very quickly.
     
    An overall mix reverb will help create an overall sense of space for all the parts to sit in.

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/19 00:22:00 (permalink)
    Wookiee... yes I have widening on the center vocs, and I also have separate left and right voc tracks with no widening on those of course, and all voc tracks sung separately.  I'm using on the center vocs "Cakewalk Delay>Fast Delay pre-set, along with Channel Tools Increased Width pre-set.  That's all I'm using on the vocs for the verb effect now.  No verb or delay on the left and right voc tracks.  Only the center as described above.  I'll try backing off on the width depth as mentioned.    Thx for the verb lesson, i'll try that sometime.  Gonna try to get back to this one at a later date to finish up, it's a good mixing lesson.  For now I'm gonna move on and try to get some new stuff up.  Thx again for the helpful advice. 
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/19 00:25:23 (permalink)
    Any and all comments on this Verve tune still welcome and most appreciated.  They'll all go in a separate folder that I can refer to when I get back to remixing this again.  Thanks in advance.
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/22 23:59:37 (permalink)
    One time bump...
     
    A few more comments would be most appreciated.  Constructive criticism welcomed and encouraged.  Link in opening post.  More info in opening post.  Thanks.
     
    Remix 4 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1350905&songID=12889976
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/23 14:21:38 (permalink)
    Pluto The back track is now sounding very good but the Vox is still dancing around it sounds like my monitors are out of Phase as it appears in the left then the right with no central focus.  Widening should be use very subtly.
     
    I would seriously try a mix with the widening off.
     
    Thanks for sharing and one way to get more comments is to stick yours ears in on other peeps tracks, even if you do not feel confident enough to give constructive criticism you can say weather you did or did not like it. 

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/24 00:46:12 (permalink)
    Wookiee... thx for the good word regarding the back track.  Agree on the vox, will fix eventually.  And agree on finding time to listen to other people's tracks.  I'm not a pro mixer but you're right, I know what sounds good and what doesn't.  I'm thinking about taking some recording engineering courses to get better at this.  I'll def try to find more time to listen to other people's stuff.
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/08/24 00:46:17 (permalink)
    Wookiee... thx for the good word regarding the back track.  Agree on the vox, will fix eventually.  And agree on finding time to listen to other people's tracks.  I'm not a pro mixer but you're right, I know what sounds good and what doesn't.  I'm thinking about taking some recording engineering courses to get better at this.  I'll def try to find more time to listen to other people's stuff.
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/13 21:44:13 (permalink)
    Bump...  new mix up...  centered the vocs more etc... see opening post... or just go right to the song, link below...
     
    Here ya go... http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1350905&songID=12889976
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/20 18:54:48 (permalink)
    I can't give mix specific suggestions, raise this, lower that but I will tell you that somehow it lacks depth.  I wish I could tell you how to deal with that.  I don't know this song so I don't have anything to compare it to.  I'm sure these other guys are giving great advice.  I am not fond of the tune but you sure have a lot of work in it and I appreciate that.  Keep woikin' buddy!

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/20 20:57:55 (permalink)
    I didn't hear the earlier mixes. I can't put my finger on it either but I would start by removing the reverb. Either there is to much reverb or the EQing is making it thin. Or both. Great vocals!

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/21 08:51:50 (permalink)
    For the whole mix, by today's standards, is a wash with reverb which is similar to the original, however listening to the original track by the Verve, whilst the backing track has quite heavy reverb the vocal sits in a pleasant little island with much less reverb which lets it stand out just in front of the music.  
     
    This is your tack and your interpretation of the tune but perhaps as suggested above back off the reverb on the vox and you may find it becomes a little more alive.

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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/21 22:24:20 (permalink)
    evadianepug... Yes, quite a bit of work into it, thx for the heads up.
     
    Guitarpima... Glad you liked the vocs.  Will work on the verb issue.
     
    Wookiee... I'm going to look into that verb issue again.
     
    Apparently it does need more depth, I'm all over it.  Would like to get it at least 99% right... ;)
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/26 01:04:10 (permalink)
    Bump... I think I made the necessary adjustment on the vocs, took a lot of verb off them, per advice from comments.  Also left the wet voc version up for comparison.
     
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/26 01:04:22 (permalink)
    fixed link...
     
    http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_music.cfm?bandID=1350905
    post edited by pluto - 2014/10/03 10:46:01
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    Re: The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony cover 2014/09/26 01:04:34 (permalink)
    Made some adjustments... if u have some time take a listen, thx.
     
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