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[Updated] Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems (not solved)
Hi there... I've been out of the game since Sonar 7 and Reason 5, so may be a bit rusty. Now on Sonar Professional and Reason 8... I'm trying to Rewire multiple Reason instruments, each with their own audio and midi track. I setup the ins and outs in Sonar.. All good.. I think. In Reason, I take the outs of each instrument and route them to their own channel.. Ie. 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 and so on.. The problem: Any instrument plugged into anything 5/6 and above the audio is terribly glitchy.. A buffer type problem. Instruments in channel 3/4 are clean, with no lag. Amy I doing this wrong? How do I go about setting up a multi channel/multi instrument Reason rack? Thanks in advance..
post edited by plainfaced - 2016/04/28 06:37:57
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/19 06:42:26
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*Update - See post 4.. Still issues And what do you know... It's fine now.. Not sure how I fixed it.. I think it was ASIO4ALL? I have a Propellerheads Balance interface that I've been using on OSX and Reason for the last however many years. Back on Windows I was a bit unsure about drivers.. I thought the standard Balance driver wasn't working, so immediately installed ASIO4ALL.. Looks like that was the issue and the standard Balance driver does work.. My last question is still valid I suppose. Am I doing Rewire right?
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/19 16:59:34
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I got the same problems with Sonar Platinum and Reason 7.To fix that distorted audio problem (seems a bad sampling rate sync) i use to disconect the problematic channels (in reason) and connect to others channels and then back to the original channels,and the prblem is fixed.Everytime i open a problematic project i need to do that.
Very weird.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 06:30:39
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Yeah right...
I actually spoke too soon... Nothing I try seems to fix the issue for good..
The issue that I'm having now is - Say a simple track with 3 Reason instruments. Each routed to their own stereo channel in Reason. Then to their own audio track in Sonar.
Issue: Some instruments will playback twice as fast, while at the same time another instrument is playing fine at normal speed..
Im so lost.. I've tried both standard Balance drivers and ASIO4ALL... Neither are any difference..
Is it an interface/driver issue? Or have I set something wrong in the preferences?
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 06:36:25
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Nothing wrong,it's one of the strange unsolved issues with Sonar!I was doing a report to Cakewalk months ago about the problem,but i got not time and further,i'm really fed up to doing the betatester for free!!
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 06:37:12
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Nothing wrong in preferences,it's one of the strange unsolved issues with Sonar!I was doing a report to Cakewalk months ago about the problem,but i got not time and further,i'm really fed up to doing the betatester for free!!
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 06:49:50
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F me... I specifically purchased Sonar so I could Rewire, and record guitar with Guitar Rig 5...
Before my departure from Windows, when I went Mac and Reason only... Early version of Sonar and Reason used to Rewire fine..
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 06:53:37
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Try to write a full report of the issue to Cakewalk support,i hope to do the same when i got the time.
Anyway post here the report and we can try to reproduce the issue together.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 07:00:58
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What version of Reason you on?
Interface? Drivers?
Not that it matters... Just curious.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 07:04:54
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Reason 7.1.1 (build 5082),audio board RME HDSPe AIO with latest 4.14 drivers (in ASIO mode)
Sonar Platinum 22.3.0 build 71 [2016.03] Windows 10 PRO x64 with latest updates.
I've also try the demo of Reason 8 but nothing changes,the problem it's still there.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 07:19:39
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KWILD....the problem it's still there.
OK, thanks for the info. One thing I do notice is the CPU meter in Sonar goes crazy when doing anything Rewire related.. CPU meter in Reason is fine.. Will put aside some time on the weekend to get on to Cakewalk Support.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 07:21:22
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plainfaced
One thing I do notice is the CPU meter in Sonar goes crazy when doing anything Rewire related.. CPU meter in Reason is fine..
Will put aside some time on the weekend to get on to Cakewalk Support.
Same here,CPU goes crazy!
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 18:27:32
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Anyone from Cakewalk chime in? @Anderton? - Before I submit a Problem Report..
Not sure why im trying to tag people.. This is not a Slack channel plainfaced :(
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 22:36:35
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If you have more than one ReWire library dll in your system it can go crazy. When I had problems I did a search on ReWire.dll and found four different ones. I eliminated all but the most recent and everything has worked perfectly ever since, and not just with SONAR.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 22:42:46
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Also remember that although ReWire itself takes almost no CPU, your computer has to be able to run two substantial programs simultaneously. Although you don't give your computer specs, you may have to resign yourself to increasing latency and because Reason's samplers don't stream from disk, you may not have enough RAM if you're running several instances of the NN-XT.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 23:28:27
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Really appreciate you input Craig.
The ReWire.dll is an interesting one.. I'll be sure to have a look tonight..
Apologies for not providing the Specs.. Ive only just got back into the Windows DAW world after being on OSX for so long.. In 2007 my PC could run Rewire projects 3 times as big, so wasnt sure why in 2016 things would have got worse.. I suppose Applications get more taxing on CPU and RAM, as both CPU and RAM capability increases..
Im running -
OS: Windows 10
CPU: Intel Core i7 4790
RAM: 8GB Corsair Vengeance Pro
OS/Application drive: 120GB SSD
Sonar Project folder drive: 750GB Hybrid drive
Im actually thinking now, that Project Folder drive might be a little slow.. Although Sonar/Reason was failing on playback - So I would assume that its only reading from the OS/Application drive?
Might think about upping my RAM too..
I would still question why adding 3 Reason instruments (not sample based) cause Sonar CPU usage to spike on an Intel Core i7 4790?
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/20 23:31:22
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As amazing as it may seem, 8 GB can be kinda marginal these days. I have 32 GB, well worth the investment.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 04:13:34
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So I had a little bit more success tonight.
The issue of some Reason Instruments playing back at twice the speed: For now, solved. I stopped using Mix Channels in reason, and simply threw each instrument into a Combinator.. Then routed the Combinators to their own audio channel.
The Issue of CPU load/Audio chugging is... still an issue: While raising the buffer helps a little, obviously this doesn't help in real world when trying to record.
I did better performance a little by removing some modules in the Pro channel of a Bus I created (remembering I only have two audio, two midi channels and a single Bus in Sonar).. I found the CPU load dramatically decrease when I removed two of the Style Dial FX.
Why a Core i7 4790 would drown with a few Pro Channel modules? I'm not sure... I have ordered more RAM.. However throughout these tests RAM usage is only ever at 30%..
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 04:58:41
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Man,the extra ram don't solve nothing.It's a bad developement of rewire with Sonar Platinum.To be honest i remember having the problem with the latest versions of Sonar pre-platinum too,but now i don't remember.
They must investigate about that strange behaviors on Sonar,the problem is there more than one year for sure,im really skeptical on how they do their betatest,sorry but i loose so much time behind that and other crazy problems that im really upset about!
Do you try to disconnect cables in reason,and connect to an audio output to another and then doing the same in sonar and then back to when it was?I've fix the problem doing that,several times,let it a try.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 07:02:55
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Do you try to disconnect cables in reason,and connect to an audio output to another and then doing the same in sonar and then back to when it was?I've fix the problem doing that,several times,let it a try.
Tried that.. Didn't solve anything. I'm back now with the double speed issue.. So ive given up.. Well not given up.. Ive resorted to routing ALL reason devices to the Master Section and then to Audio 1+2 - And only having a Single Reason Audio track in Sonar... This limits me to writing all my instrument parts - Then bouncing each track to a separate Audio track.. Then mixing from there.. Not ideal, but my PC handles the load with this setup with ease.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 07:07:29
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i know that using only one stereo output (1+2) the problem is gone,but i've also managed to fix with multiple channels.Try to not use 5/6 just to start.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 08:03:21
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Ok,i've done several test,i can recreate the issue. I've just create a simple sonar project with a rewired Reason 7.1.1 project with 1 subtractor to Reason output 1/2 and 1 Thor to Reason output 3/4. Yout got distorted audio.If you stop the Sonar audio engine and disconnect Thor from output 3/4 leaving only subtractor connected on output 1/2 and after restart the Sonar audio engine (important!) the distortion is gone. Soon after you reconnect Thor to 3/4 you got distortion. Very weird issue... Download the project(s) and try by yourself : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9179211/SonarReasonBugTest.rar
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 18:27:51
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This will be fixed in the 2016.04 release. I think we will be pushing another early access build tomorrow that has this fix if you want to try it out. It was an interleave caching problem - reassigning the reason output on the track is a temporary workaround.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 18:48:15
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So do you already know about that issue?Is there since months!Please im interested to try the fix before the final update.Thanx.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 19:54:16
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
This will be fixed in the 2016.04 release. I think we will be pushing another early access build tomorrow that has this fix if you want to try it out. It was an interleave caching problem - reassigning the reason output on the track is a temporary workaround.
Amazing.. Fingers crossed. I was really scratching my head.. Thinking that maybe it was my Propellerheads Balance interface (discontinued - no true Win10 drivers).. I was sure it wasnt my CPU/RAM - Not with two instruments and nothing else.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/21 21:42:13
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Hmmm...I'll admit I haven't rewired anything in a while, didn't realize a bug had been introduced somewhere along the line. Regardless, I still recommend deleting unused rewire.dll files, because doing so definitely fixed some head-scratcher issues when I was a heavy ReWire user.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/22 16:41:49
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
This will be fixed in the 2016.04 release. I think we will be pushing another early access build tomorrow that has this fix if you want to try it out. It was an interleave caching problem - reassigning the reason output on the track is a temporary workaround.
Tried the early release.. Same issue... no fix.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/22 17:34:06
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The updated early access build was posted literally a few minutes ago. If you downloaded earlier you should get it again. The build that has the fix is Early Access 22.4.0.26
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/22 18:33:38
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Confirmed...it's on the list of bug fixes for 2016.04.
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Re: Sonar Pro + Rewire audio problems
2016/04/22 18:48:55
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
The updated early access build was posted literally a few minutes ago. If you downloaded earlier you should get it again. The build that has the fix is Early Access 22.4.0.26
Apologies.. Jumped the gun.. Looks like 22.4.0.26 is not available to me yet,, I only have 22.4.0.23 Downloading 22.4.0.26 now
post edited by plainfaced - 2016/04/22 19:15:04
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