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Upgrade to X2?
I got an email from Cake with a $75 upgrade offer for X2 (with some additional software incentives). Should I jump in on this before the May 15th expiration date?
Of note, I'm saving up funds in order to build a new 64 bit machine and do want what everybody else wants in a DAW.....stability. I currently don't have any issues with X1, but if X2 is just as solid, it's aleays nice to have the latest version. (BTW, I'm only a hobbyist).
What do you guys think and how's X2 been for you so far?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 11:17:36
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is that $75 upgrade price for producer, studio or essentials (doubt it would be for essentials, actually).
I like X2 and I am happy with the price I paid for the upgrade ($99, IIRC). but I've been on 64bit since X1 first came out.
it's really a matter of how much you would use the extra features from X2 verses X1. I like the enhanced tools for the PC and the extra modules. ATM that's the only features I can think of that X2 has over X1, but I know there were more.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 12:09:11
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is that $75 upgrade price for producer, studio or essentials (doubt it would be for essentials, actually).
I like X2 and I am happy with the price I paid for the upgrade ($99, IIRC). but I've been on 64bit since X1 first came out.
it's really a matter of how much you would use the extra features from X2 verses X1. I like the enhanced tools for the PC and the extra modules. ATM that's the only features I can think of that X2 has over X1, but I know there were more.
Thanks Beag.....yeah, the enhanced tools are a big+ for X2. Yep, the upgrade is for Producer.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 13:21:41
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if I had the $, then I'd probably do it. tho, for myself in the future, cake's gonna have to up the ante if they want more money outta me. I'm not using sonar as much as I used to, so the features need to impress me before I'll fork over another wad o' money for very little feature improvement.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 15:26:53
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Well why not? I was well informed when I asked about issues that it is ROCK SOLID.
It was narrowed down very quickly to two problems; Me not knowing what I was doing or I needed a new PC.
I've since learned that it is the only program on my PC that is ROCK SOLID.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 15:38:23
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Just looking at the specs in your signature I'd say keep your money in your pocket or put it towards your new pc. X2 needs the X2a patch to solve quite a few issues with it and X2a will not even load on xp or vista, has to be win 7 or 8, so unless your new pc is gonna be ready any time soon I wouldn't be in any rush to buy X2 because you won't be using it. CW seem to be pushing deals on X2 all the time now, so I think we're into milk it mode now before X3 or whatever. It's only going to get cheaper from here on in.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 15:56:12
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Just looking at the specs in your signature I'd say keep your money in your pocket or put it towards your new pc. X2 needs the X2a patch to solve quite a few issues with it and X2a will not even load on xp or vista, has to be win 7 or 8, so unless your new pc is gonna be ready any time soon I wouldn't be in any rush to buy X2 because you won't be using it. CW seem to be pushing deals on X2 all the time now, so I think we're into milk it mode now before X3 or whatever. It's only going to get cheaper from here on in.
My new build will include Win 7 and almost everything will be new (except my project and samlples HD's). I'm going to use the old PC as a back up/let my oldest girl mess with X1. $75 seems to be a fair price for an upgrade, and I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 16:14:10
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paulo
Just looking at the specs in your signature I'd say keep your money in your pocket or put it towards your new pc. X2 needs the X2a patch to solve quite a few issues with it and X2a will not even load on xp or vista, has to be win 7 or 8, so unless your new pc is gonna be ready any time soon I wouldn't be in any rush to buy X2 because you won't be using it. CW seem to be pushing deals on X2 all the time now, so I think we're into milk it mode now before X3 or whatever. It's only going to get cheaper from here on in.
My new build will include Win 7 and almost everything will be new (except my project and samlples HD's). I'm going to use the old PC as a back up/let my oldest girl mess with X1.
$75 seems to be a fair price for an upgrade, and I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
Yeah I understand that, I don't know if its "ROCK SOLID" or not, there seem to be a few that would say otherwise, but then agaon there always is. My point was really that as you said you were saving for a new pc, implying that it wasn't imminent, if you're not going to be actually using X2 any time soon, by the time you have your new pc it will probably be even cheaper as the new version looms. Usually at this stage, the upstairs thread is full of ****ing and moaning about how people just bought the special offer and a month later it was cheaper. The last two product cycles have ended up at........ buy this version / get the new one free which seems a better deal if you're not even going to be using your upgrade for a while. Naturally, if that turns out not to be the case this time round, I accept no blame for you taking my advice. ;)
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 16:35:29
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Just looking at the specs in your signature I'd say keep your money in your pocket or put it towards your new pc. X2 needs the X2a patch to solve quite a few issues with it and X2a will not even load on xp or vista, has to be win 7 or 8, so unless your new pc is gonna be ready any time soon I wouldn't be in any rush to buy X2 because you won't be using it. CW seem to be pushing deals on X2 all the time now, so I think we're into milk it mode now before X3 or whatever. It's only going to get cheaper from here on in.
My new build will include Win 7 and almost everything will be new (except my project and samlples HD's). I'm going to use the old PC as a back up/let my oldest girl mess with X1.
$75 seems to be a fair price for an upgrade, and I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
Yeah I understand that, I don't know if its "ROCK SOLID" or not, there seem to be a few that would say otherwise, but then agaon there always is. My point was really that as you said you were saving for a new pc, implying that it wasn't imminent, if you're not going to be actually using X2 any time soon, by the time you have your new pc it will probably be even cheaper as the new version looms. Usually at this stage, the upstairs thread is full of ****ing and moaning about how people just bought the special offer and a month later it was cheaper. The last two product cycles have ended up at........ buy this version / get the new one free which seems a better deal if you're not even going to be using your upgrade for a while.
Naturally, if that turns out not to be the case this time round, I accept no blame for you taking my advice. ;)
No worries mate....  .... I appreciate all the advice I can get. You do make a good point about when the newer version coming out, it should be cheaper. I'm hoping to build this around the middle of June and just trying to get all my ducks in a row (starting with the DAW software). :)
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 17:53:02
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While I do agree that you probably shouldn't even try to run it on nonwin7 system, I'm not sure i agree it will get cheaper. History says $79 is as cheap as it gets and then the next version comes out.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 18:21:45
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While I do agree that you probably shouldn't even try to run it on nonwin7 system, I'm not sure i agree it will get cheaper. History says $79 is as cheap as it gets and then the next version comes out.
History says BOGOF is cheaper, no ?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 18:42:19
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paulo
Just looking at the specs in your signature I'd say keep your money in your pocket or put it towards your new pc. X2 needs the X2a patch to solve quite a few issues with it and X2a will not even load on xp or vista, has to be win 7 or 8, so unless your new pc is gonna be ready any time soon I wouldn't be in any rush to buy X2 because you won't be using it. CW seem to be pushing deals on X2 all the time now, so I think we're into milk it mode now before X3 or whatever. It's only going to get cheaper from here on in.
X2a loaded on my vista It's not supported I know ... But it loaded and it runs
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 19:00:08
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Although Vista might work out fine, I'm still getting Win7 as it's a very good OS and would like to have a copy of it as it's more stable with the drivers/supported by Microsoft etc...
Mooch, what's your experience with X2 & Vista?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 20:42:12
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Beagle
While I do agree that you probably shouldn't even try to run it on nonwin7 system, I'm not sure i agree it will get cheaper. History says $79 is as cheap as it gets and then the next version comes out.
History says BOGOF is cheaper, no ?
Not IMO because they bring the price back up to regular non-sale pricing, so "cost" is still higher than this sale price from an out of pocket perspective.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 22:01:26
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I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
No... Spacey told you what those he asked for help said. One thing for sure if you get it, you can define rock solid because it's sure not set in stone. If I'm still not clear enough....I used it for one project that was nothing but a PITA and now it does nothing but process my guitar and .wav drum files while I jam....and it won't even do that without crappin out the audio more less handle a recording project. But that's because I don't know what I'm doing and need a new PC because it is rock solid.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/09 22:16:16
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Mesh
Although Vista might work out fine, I'm still getting Win7 as it's a very good OS and would like to have a copy of it as it's more stable with the drivers/supported by Microsoft etc...
Mooch, what's your experience with X2 & Vista?
I for sure encourage windows 7 or 8 for x2. I hope to buy a whole new computer by the end of the summer then I'll switch to windows 7 or 8 I haven't had problems with vista and x2a. However I don't use a lot of midi. I use it with superior drummer and for piano (true pianos) other wise I just record acoustic instruments. No problems with it since September (knock on wood
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 08:37:55
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I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
No... Spacey told you what those he asked for help said. One thing for sure if you get it, you can define rock solid because it's sure not set in stone.
If I'm still not clear enough....I used it for one project that was nothing but a PITA and now it does nothing but process my guitar and .wav drum files while I jam....and it won't even do that without crappin out the audio more less handle a recording project.
But that's because I don't know what I'm doing and need a new PC because it is rock solid.
Sorry to hear that Michael and I totally mis-read your post......it just all flew over my pea brain.....  As with all versions of any software, nothing is going to be perfect.....there's always going to be issues/bugs etc..., but in your case in getting a lot of crashes.......summin sure aint right....(I can only hope my new build won't suffer the same). Are you using an older version of Sonar or are using another software?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 10:01:16
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I didn't want to pass that up if it's "ROCK SOLID" as Spacey says.....rooight?
No... Spacey told you what those he asked for help said. One thing for sure if you get it, you can define rock solid because it's sure not set in stone.
If I'm still not clear enough....I used it for one project that was nothing but a PITA and now it does nothing but process my guitar and .wav drum files while I jam....and it won't even do that without crappin out the audio more less handle a recording project.
But that's because I don't know what I'm doing and need a new PC because it is rock solid.
Sorry to hear that Michael and I totally mis-read your post......it just all flew over my pea brain.....
As with all versions of any software, nothing is going to be perfect.....there's always going to be issues/bugs etc..., but in your case in getting a lot of crashes.......summin sure aint right....(I can only hope my new build won't suffer the same).
Are you using an older version of Sonar or are using another software?
My old friend- the lack of being understood is my fault alone. I fully agree and have dealt with issues since 1992 when I started digital recording. To answer your question - all I do is what I stated. I use X2a so I can hear my guitar and a drum part so I can jam. It won't even do that without audio crap. PLEASE don't tell me what I can spend time trying out to correct it's problems....I DON"T CARE what its problems are. My attitude is the result of MANY issues that have built up over the years. A major issue of mine is I got full. I got full of spending time and money for problems that I was left to resolve. I got tired of Cakewalk selling me software that wouldn't work on systems that exceeded the minimum requirements they posted. If it will only work on a custom made special order PC made by a special tech that knows...then they ought to sell the crap with one and stop listing a bogus minimum requirement and letting folks I got tired of spending more time trying to work around issues than making music. The only reason I kept trying was because of the investment I had made and specifically for software such as all the Spectrasonics stuff that required a very good system and DAW host to process their programs. Thousands of dollars in software that should be working with the host and not knowing what problems are created and how to resolve them is just not something I care to spend my time doing. I thought computer technology and the host had finally reached the capabilities only to find out I was spending all my time chasing the same old stinking tail. The desire to learn about high fidelity recording in the digital realm has been chipped away by having to tolerate incompetence and compatibilty failures to the point where there is nothing left to chip at. I gave up. BUT...alas...what I learned was that instead of spending time on trying to resolve issues that I spent the last 3 years learning how to build guitars and pickups. The major bonus to that is that is - no time as been wasted- the guitars and pickups work! To top that off I spend more time playing my guitars!! THAT is the reason I wanted to record in the first place- I thought it would inspire me to play guitar again. Funny how things work out. IMO their recording software is no different than the way they handle the forum software. It's not my fault. It is what it is. The way I see it....they'll put 10 buttons in front of you and if 6 of them work then they have succeeded. Most businesses operate with that exact same mentality. If they hit 60% then they can make money. PRS guitars has a very savy owner. He will tell you flat out the exact same thing. What he doesn't say is; Yes, that means that there are four guitars out of ten hanging on the wall that are not good ones. He knows that their are folks that will never know the difference. Well I got tired of 4 of the buttons not working and having to baby sit the other 6.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
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So you're an analogue guy? LOL....(J/K)  I'm sure I'd be pissed off too with the software if I couldn't get a simple thing going like trying to just jam with a few backup tracks.....especially when it's built to do so much more complex things. I've been fotunate (since Sonar 3) in not having any issues with the software that couldn't be resolved. If I get the funds available in the future, I'd really like to have you build me a new axe (I've been playing a 10year old Jackson). I've seen some of your work and I'm envious. 
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 10:30:27
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 10:49:01
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2013/05/10 10:56:23
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Mesh - buy a puppy monkey - much more fun
what the arse is wrong with you daryk????
Beags - sorry mate - what was I thinking?
apparently you weren't. don't let it happen again, 'k?
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what the arse is wrong with you daryk????
Beags - sorry mate - what was I thinking?
apparently you weren't. don't let it happen again, 'k?
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2013/05/10 11:11:15
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So you're an analogue guy? LOL....(J/K)
I'm sure I'd be pissed off too with the software if I couldn't get a simple thing going like trying to just jam with a few backup tracks.....especially when it's built to do so much more complex things.
I've been fotunate (since Sonar 3) in not having any issues with the software that couldn't be resolved.
If I get the funds available in the future, I'd really like to have you build me a new axe (I've been playing a 10year old Jackson). I've seen some of your work and I'm envious.
I didn't say I was pissed off Mesh. I have plenty of programs that work great should I want to record. X2a is just not one of them. In fact I'm a very content guitar player. Cake is the one firing people and letting their forum and software go to the dumps....I think somebody there is pissed off...or should be. ......and I'm, stuck in the middle with you LOL.
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2013/05/10 11:44:01
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Speaking of puppy's (just last evening), my wife asked if we could get one when we move into our new home.
Pffft....I said.....are we trying to start some sort of a funny farm here??....we've already got the two legged species (my monkey-laws in-laws nearby) and now you want a 4 legged one?
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 12:43:53
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I been one of the lucks, had great luck with it on win 7 + 8.
enjoy it. let us know how you like it.
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Re:Upgrade to X2?
2013/05/10 13:01:03
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deleted...had some user questions but decided I didn't really care or that it mattered becuase I think X2 is a hit and miss gamble.
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2013/05/10 13:42:46
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I been one of the lucks, had great luck with it on win 7 + 8.
enjoy it. let us know how you like it.
Hey Charlie, Reading on your recommendations/experience (and it being in my budget), I'm going for an AMD system and hope you won't mind me picking your brain soon?
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