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2014/01/10 21:59:13 (permalink)

Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it

Hi Guys:
 
I'm running X2 on Windows 7 and am quite happy with it, but I'm very tempted to upgrade to X3.  So, talk me into it (or out of it as the case may be).  Is it a good step or not?
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/10 22:02:06 (permalink)
    With Win 7 just do it, you're already wasting time :)
    Don't forget to backup you system first!
    Good luck...
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/10 23:48:33 (permalink)
    I was happy with X2. I'm happier with X3
     
    Melodyne is "the big deal" for many users, but for me the standout feature has been speed comping. I love it for vocals and guitar, saves me a ton of time. Also the Browser improvements have really added up over the past few versions, Addictive Drums is really good, VST3 support means I can run Padshop, and the Nomad Factory plug-ins - while they may seem redundant - have a character that's useful in a lot of situations. And there are ton of little things that make you go "is that new, or did I just miss it?"

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 04:44:50 (permalink)
    X2 was unstable for me - so much so I never used it and continued to use X1.
    X3 is solid as a rock and the melodyne integration is fabulous - and I have been a long time melodyne user, and have the full version of melodyne - even though I have had and used Melodyne quite a lot in the past on X1 etc, the new integration makes it so much easier to use and in my experience so far, far more stable.
    Stability and Melodyne for me, make X3 a far superior option than X2
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 05:11:07 (permalink)
    X2 is the most stable and high powered  version of Sonar to date

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 05:30:55 (permalink)
    Everyone has their own reasons for using X3 or deciding to use X3. As far as I'm concerned you will either get X3 or not even after you read all the comments here.
    Either go for it or dont go for it. It's your life.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 05:58:57 (permalink)
    I am happy I moved from x2 to x3, it is more refined in so many ways. 
     
    I would say if you are only an occasional user, stick with x2.  But if you are someone who needs to do a lot of mixing,  it's a must have upgrade as far as I am concerned.
     
    And if you use pitch correction, the melodyne integration is just plain kick-button. Night and day from when I had X2. Absolutely love it.  So much quicker and easier. Almost seamless. And remember kids, Melodyne is not just about vocal correction.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 05:59:43 (permalink)
    Speed comping
    ARA
    VST3
    Addictive Drums (Producer only)
    QuadCurve Flyout EQ

    'Nuff said.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 06:14:48 (permalink)
    If you use X2, I'm sure you will enjoy using X3. I think Craig hit the nail on the head, it's the little things that add up to a better user experience. I personally enjoy the Nomad plugins and Melodyne. Those two additions made it worth the upgrade on their own. The addition of easy to use track colours was an unexpected bonus. I haven't made much use of the comping features yet but it's something I'll probably get around too when the time is right. I use the pro channel EQ first, whenever I need an EQ, and the new expandable version with the frequency graph thingy, I have found, is an invaluable ear aid.
     

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 06:17:10 (permalink)
    Don't forget BlueTubes... really wonderful stuff!  worth the price alone... 
    all in all, a no brainer...

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 06:42:28 (permalink)
    The speed comping aloneis worth it IMHO, but there's plenty of other plus points already mentioned too.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 08:44:15 (permalink)
    I had so much trouble with X2 that I went to S1.
     
    Addictive drums and Nomad Factory plugs, are making me take another look at X3.
     
    I still use S1 but I'm thinking I can jump back and forth some etc., like S1 lacks some midi things I'm used to (list view) and other things.
     
    I think I found out I can use addictive with S1 and I can use the melodyne editor with X3 since I bought it for S1.
     
    The Nomad Factory plugs should run in S1 as well?
     
    Yeah, that's the ticket a hybrid workstation S1X3
     
    Thanks
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 08:52:33 (permalink)
    I could be wrong but I thought the Nomad Factory plugs were Sonar only.  Someone may correct me if I am wrong on this.

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 09:43:51 (permalink)
    Another thumbs up here for Melodyne integration alone being worth the upgrade.
    I had never used Melodyne before and now I just love it, I can lose hours upon hours though just Molodyning (is that a word) things and playing around with them.
     
    Addictive drums was new to me too and it just sounds waaaay better than anything else I was using for live drum sounds.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 10:17:27 (permalink)
    I think each version of the X series has gone through incremental, evolutionary changes where the sum is greater than any individual parts. X2a was stable for me but there seemed that there was apparently random weirdness that would occur. To me X3 has been awesome in this regard...I feel more at ease when I'm about to do some task.
     
    The bundled goodies were nice but not useful for me but I am someone who does not want 15 compressors, 2 or 3 will do nicely thank you. I already had Melodyne Editor so the bundling wasn't of value but the ARA implementation is fan-freaking-tastic.
     
    Also really like the QCEQ fly-out window. All in all the upgrade comes highly recommended from me.
     
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 11:29:36 (permalink)
    I still use S1 for album assembly. I definitely prefer Sonar as a DAW, but S1 is a great replacement for CD Architect, which I think Sony has abandoned. That said, Sonar is almost a suitable CD Architect replacement...maybe something to think about for X4 or X5, except CDs do seem to be on the way out...
     
    One unexpected X3 surprise is that I'm using it more and more for mastering. There are some things it can do, like painless crossfades, that are harder to do in standard digital audio editors. Throw Ozone in the master bus, and then you have all the diagnostic stuff you need as well.
     
    Zooming out, another element of X3 that's hard to quantify is its versatility. That's always been a Sonar thing - I could jump from narration to songwriting to remixing to soundtracks - but all the little interface changes in X3 make for a more fluid and unified workflow in any application. I have never made music so easily since X3 came along.

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 12:01:32 (permalink)
    I'm having trouble seeing what is it you get with X3producer?
     
     
    Like this is something you have to pay extra for right?

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    Thanks
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 12:01:37 (permalink)
    Because its prettier! Like Wayne said, TRACK COLORS, man!

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 12:05:05 (permalink)
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    I'm having trouble seeing what is it you get with X3producer?
     

    It is all here http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx the Blue Tubes FX are called the Studio Mixing Suite on this page
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 12:57:37 (permalink)
    X2 was very stable for me, X3 has been unbreakable.

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 13:53:36 (permalink)
    I'm pretty much in the same boat of trying to decide if it is worth doing the upgrade.
    I've had a few crap experiences when it's come to upgrading in the past and am hesitant to do so again. (still have some songs which won't load up the synth's used in the project, even when replacing the synth in synth rack)
    The discount is tasty but I just can't make my mind up.

    Also I really could do with a new hard drive and giving the studio pc an overhaul, she's getting a bit to loud n noisy with the small fans, so some DIY may be in order. 

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 14:05:24 (permalink)
    tacman7
    I'm having trouble seeing what is it you get with X3producer?
     
     
    Like this is something you have to pay extra for right?

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    There is a module for every situation in this bundle. You can load up the Dual Phaser, Dual Chorus, Oilcan Echo, or the 3D Tempo Delay and never have to touch your pedal board again. Sculpt and shape your mixes with 1 or all 6 of the supplied parametric, graphic, or programmable EQs and then apply one of our dynamics processors to keep your levels under control and glued together.
     
     
    Thanks


    This is what you get in  Sonar X3 producer (far right column).  You don't have to pay anything extra for any of these things in producer.  YOu will have to download and install a couple of things separately.  And to answer your specific question the Nomad bundle comes with Producer.
     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/default.aspx

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 14:15:18 (permalink)
    I didn't like the fact that X3 came out just over a year after X2.   
     
    But with the new plugs, I'm glad I did it.   I re-installed everything to 64 bit and I stopped using many old plugs.  I hope I'm good for at least 2 years now.

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/11 20:21:43 (permalink)
    Hello Guys:
     
    Just popped back in to check on this thread and was delighted at the replies.  Many, many thanks to everyone.  My favorite comment was offered by CowboyDan: "Everyone has their own reasons for using X3 or deciding to use X3. As far as I'm concerned you will either get X3 or not even after you read all the comments here.
    Either go for it or dont go for it. It's your life". 
    Very existential!!
     
    Thanks!!
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/12 09:32:48 (permalink)
    Thanks, I've read what they say comes with it, it says:
     
    Vintage FX and Reverb from Nomad Factory
     
    So two or several plug ins? not the suite of 19 plug ins?
     
     
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/12 09:39:11 (permalink)
    tacman7
    Thanks, I've read what they say comes with it, it says:
     
    Vintage FX and Reverb from Nomad Factory
     
    So two or several plug ins? not the suite of 19 plug ins?
     
     




     

    Nomad Factory Blue Tubes FX

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    There is a module for every situation in this bundle. You can load up the Dual Phaser, Dual Chorus, Oilcan Echo, or the 3D Tempo Delay and never have to touch your pedal board again. Sculpt and shape your mixes with 1 or all 6 of the supplied parametric, graphic, or programmable EQs and then apply one of our dynamics processors to keep your levels under control and glued together.

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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/12 09:46:45 (permalink)
    tacman7
    Thanks, I've read what they say comes with it, it says:
     
    Vintage FX and Reverb from Nomad Factory
     
    So two or several plug ins? not the suite of 19 plug ins?
     
     


    All of that is detailed in the link I provided above. It shows a side by side comparison of what is included in both versions.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/12 09:49:27 (permalink)
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    Hi Guys:
     
    I'm running X2 on Windows 7 and am quite happy with it, but I'm very tempted to upgrade to X3.  So, talk me into it (or out of it as the case may be).  Is it a good step or not?




    Don't know which version/upgrade you are talking about, so hard to say, but as a rule of thumb, if you're not seeing enough to make whatever upgrade cost worthwhile to you now, I would give it 6 months and wait for the sales.
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    Re: Upgrading from X2 to X3: Talk me into it 2014/01/12 18:34:48 (permalink)
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    Because its prettier! Like Wayne said, TRACK COLORS, man!


    I can't remember when the interface started becoming darker but I remember having a whinge about the loss of pretty colors a while back. I'm glad they're back

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