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Useless cops
Tonight I heard this guy on the street wailing in pain/terror. It was a blood curdling sound. So I leaned out the window and there was a passer by who was calling 911. About 10 minutes later an NYPD cruiser pulled up and two portly cops waddled out onto the scene. By this time the guy was kind of thrashing around, obviously very disturbed. The cops didn't seem very interested. They halfheartedly put on a pair of rubber gloves and stood back and watched. Meanwhile the guy was getting worse, and an old lady came out of a nearby building to see what was up. She and the passer by were attempting to stop the guy from thrashing around. It got pretty violent at one point, the guys legs were kicking up in the air, he was screaming, punching with his fists and generally going nuts. So I'm up in my apartment watching these two civilians, one an old lady, trying to restrain this psychotic dude while the two cops stood at least 6 feet back, one with hands in pockets, the other apparently browsing on his cellphone. You cannot make this stuff up. Even when the lady got kicked in the face, they just stood there and made no attempt to do anything. After about 5 minutes of this an ambulance showed up and the paramedics struggled to get him strapped onto a stretcher. Again the cops made no attempt to help. It was only when the guy was safely in the ambulance that they became animated - at this point two more cruisers pulled up and 4 more portly officers waddled forth, all determined looking, notebooks out, conferring with each other, trying to look like they were "taking action" when in fact the "action" had been handled very ably by two ordinary members of the public and a couple of paramedics. It was honestly like the cops were just clueless about what to do, they looked like helpless children. I see this kind of stuff all the time with the NYPD and it makes me so mad.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 08:05:00
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The NYPD clearly needs a larger budget
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 08:28:21
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I'm not sure what more money would have done in this case. Maybe snazzier gloves?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 08:29:54
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 08:51:33
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What's the problem here? 1) They were Courteous and kept a safe distance from the "thrasher" 2) They showed Professionalism and called for backup/help 3) They Respected the public wanting to help and didn't interrupt
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 08:56:20
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BobF The NYPD clearly needs a larger budget
...or less donuts...
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 09:31:53
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2016/05/18 09:51:39
Mesh What's the problem here? 1) They were Courteous and kept a safe distance from the "thrasher" 2) They showed Professionalism and called for backup/help 3) They Respected the public wanting to help and didn't interrupt

The problem I see is that the white mini-skirt is in the background instead of being the focal point.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 09:49:44
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/05/18 18:35:24
With all the lawsuits against the cops these days..... it's really no wonder that they stood back and did nothing. If they had gotten involved, and the guy had died, they would have been defendants in a law suit. As long as no laws were being broken by the guy in pain.... and apparently it wasn't a gun shot victim, standing by waiting on the rescue squad was all they were required to do.
I'm not defending their actions, just observing that we didn't have all the facts in the story. Was the guy bleeding? Had he been stabbed or shot? Did he have a medical problem? Was he spaced out on some sort of drug cocktail? Was he an imminent danger to himself or others? What was the race of the guy and the cops? Apparently the NYPD didn't think he was in need of their expertise and decided to simply wait on the medics.
As a trained Search and Rescue technician, it was drilled into our heads that we're under no legal obligation to assist someone and especially if the assistance will put us into immediate bodily danger and if what we would be doing exceeds our level of training. That last one is crucial. If you're not trained and certified in something....You don't do it. Period. Lawyers absolutely love asking what training and qualifications you have to do what you did or attempted to do. If you have no training..... that's a question you don't want to have to answer in a court room. Life and death situations exempted, but this doesn't sound like L&D the way you describe it.
My guess is they played it by the book.
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sharke
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 10:49:09
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☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2016/05/18 11:21:41
Guitarhacker With all the lawsuits against the cops these days..... it's really no wonder that they stood back and did nothing. If they had gotten involved, and the guy had died, they would have been defendants in a law suit. As long as no laws were being broken by the guy in pain.... and apparently it wasn't a gun shot victim, standing by waiting on the rescue squad was all they were required to do.
I'm not defending their actions, just observing that we didn't have all the facts in the story. Was the guy bleeding? Had he been stabbed or shot? Did he have a medical problem? Was he spaced out on some sort of drug cocktail? Was he an imminent danger to himself or others? What was the race of the guy and the cops? Apparently the NYPD didn't think he was in need of their expertise and decided to simply wait on the medics.
As a trained Search and Rescue technician, it was drilled into our heads that we're under no legal obligation to assist someone and especially if the assistance will put us into immediate bodily danger and if what we would be doing exceeds our level of training. That last one is crucial. If you're not trained and certified in something....You don't do it. Period. Lawyers absolutely love asking what training and qualifications you have to do what you did or attempted to do. If you have no training..... that's a question you don't want to have to answer in a court room. Life and death situations exempted, but this doesn't sound like L&D the way you describe it.
My guess is they played it by the book.
Yes, he was thrashing around, kicking and punching the two members of the public who were trying to restrain him and calm him down. That's what got me - even as he got more violent, the cops didn't intervene. Honestly, if you had seen it for yourself, you would have been as amazed as me that they could have stood there nonchalantly doing nothing. And if that was "doing it by the book" then I guess all the times they've taken people down with tasers must have been truly unorthodox
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 11:04:52
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Guitarhacker With all the lawsuits against the cops these days..... it's really no wonder that they stood back and did nothing. If they had gotten involved, and the guy had died, they would have been defendants in a law suit. As long as no laws were being broken by the guy in pain.... and apparently it wasn't a gun shot victim, standing by waiting on the rescue squad was all they were required to do.
I'm not defending their actions, just observing that we didn't have all the facts in the story. Was the guy bleeding? Had he been stabbed or shot? Did he have a medical problem? Was he spaced out on some sort of drug cocktail? Was he an imminent danger to himself or others? What was the race of the guy and the cops? Apparently the NYPD didn't think he was in need of their expertise and decided to simply wait on the medics.
As a trained Search and Rescue technician, it was drilled into our heads that we're under no legal obligation to assist someone and especially if the assistance will put us into immediate bodily danger and if what we would be doing exceeds our level of training. That last one is crucial. If you're not trained and certified in something....You don't do it. Period. Lawyers absolutely love asking what training and qualifications you have to do what you did or attempted to do. If you have no training..... that's a question you don't want to have to answer in a court room. Life and death situations exempted, but this doesn't sound like L&D the way you describe it.
My guess is they played it by the book.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 11:15:19
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We used to be driven mad by *ing scaffolding alarms in London (scaffolding right outside our flat). Pretty much every bloody night this thing would kick off, 2 am, 3 am whatever. One night, the police turned up, a couple in a car. Then some more turned up, then a few others a little while later. The alarm was still sounding. They looked at the scaffolding. They all drove away. The alarm was still sounding. HOWEVER!! -> the scaffolding was not stolen! Yay!
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 11:16:18
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/05/18 11:42:59
....says sharke who only watched from his window......
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 11:37:27
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/05/18 11:39:24
bapu ....says sharke who only watched from his window...... 
Ouch ...
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:40:49
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Maybe..... just maybe, they had tased the guy and his thrashing was a result of 500,000 volts of electricity that was administered every few seconds to keep him on the ground..... you certainly don't want to touch someone getting zapped with a half million volts now do ya?
just a random thought....
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:43:25
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sharke I'm not sure what more money would have done in this case. Maybe snazzier gloves?
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sharke
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:43:46
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/05/18 14:01:10
bapu ....says sharke who only watched from his window...... 
I had an answer prepared for that but I can't remember what it was!
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:45:56
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2016/05/18 14:12:35
sharke
bapu ....says sharke who only watched from his window...... 
I had an answer prepared for that but I can't remember what it was!
Oh yeah here it is. "If I'd of gone down there they would of arrested me for interfearance"
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:47:14
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sharke can you answer me something? Why do New Yorkers think that NYC is the center of the universe? I have *liberal* friends who try to explain the united states based on their experiences in the city. Surely, you don't h8 all cops! D::D
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 13:48:15
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sharke is British, he's not a New Yorker.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:05:18
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bapu sharke is British, he's not a New Yorker.
Once you've been here 10 years you're officially a New Yorker, and I've been here almost 15 so that makes me a New Yorker and a half... And yes, NYC is the center of the known universe.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:07:44
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sharke
bapu sharke is British, he's not a New Yorker.
Once you've been here 10 years you're officially a New Yorker, and I've been here almost 15 so that makes me a New Yorker and a half...
And yes, NYC is the center of the known universe.
Can I have your Britishness then?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:29:50
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:31:59
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eph221 does anyone like my feckin muzak?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:32:07
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bapu
sharke
bapu sharke is British, he's not a New Yorker.
Once you've been here 10 years you're officially a New Yorker, and I've been here almost 15 so that makes me a New Yorker and a half...
And yes, NYC is the center of the known universe.
Can I have your Britishness then?
That pretty much evaporated in a red, white and blue cloud of steam the first altercation I got into with an NYC taxi driver.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:51:57
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At least he got into the ambulance alive. All too frequently, police approach mentally disturbed people with guns drawn and feel justified in killing them if they get within reach, since there is now a deadly weapon (the one in their hand or holster), available to the psychotic. If I am ever acting that crazy, I would hope the police would keep their distance until unarmed help arrives. Our police are trained and equipped to combat criminals, not to assist the mentally ill.
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 14:58:44
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Hmm, The cops encounter many, many psychotic people in the course of a shift. I think they do a pretty good job. You don't hear about success stories, for instance how many suicides they've prevented. And then there's the issue of illicit drugs. If someone's acting psychotic because they over did the acid...you think it's the cops job to babysit them?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 15:00:05
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I overdid my acid washed jeans once. Where were the cops then?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 15:01:51
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Or stopping drunk drivers, how many deaths have they prevented? Or stopping speeding drivers, major hassle if it happens to you, but how many deaths have they prevented by slowing people down?
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 15:03:26
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Re: Useless cops
2016/05/18 15:27:55
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I lived in Manhattan many years and I can imagine a front line cop sees more action in a week then most big city cops see in a year. This might just have been another incident at the end of a long day. The only thing that surprises me about Sharke's account is the cops didn't keep the civilians away from the action.
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