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2016/03/03 23:15:04 (permalink)

User studio session case study on Landr mastering

Here is a great Landr mastering case study from our own Panu Pentikäinen (user panup)
He talks about how he tested Landr on a live studio project.

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 10:05:12 (permalink)
That was unexpected; I liked the LANDR master better.
 
Of course, a sample of one doesn't prove anything. As panup says "it's hit or miss depending on the mix".
 
I had similar results using Har-Bal in full-automatic mode - one in ten songs came out better than my own version. But that was 10 years ago. At that time I'd not previously done any mastering. I had mid-grade speakers in a small room with no acoustic treatment. The last time I revisited Har-Bal was about 5 years ago, and in ten out of ten tests it made the mixes worse, not better.


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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 14:37:54 (permalink)
Once again Panu goes the extra mile for Sonar users. Can somebody hire this guy?

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 15:01:53 (permalink)
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Once again Panu goes the extra mile for Sonar users. Can somebody hire this guy?




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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 15:34:46 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby panup 2016/03/04 16:15:40
Can somebody give this guy more holidays?
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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 17:22:32 (permalink)
My opinion:
Listening to this on my laptop through headphones I liked Panup's mix better.
The LANDR-mix felt a little to piercing to the ears. I can imagine that listening to a whole CD mastered by LANDR will lead to ear-fatigue sooner?
Panup's mix/master seemed just that little bit mellower which is a style I just happen to like more...
 
 

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 17:52:09 (permalink)
I don't mind that Landr is in Sonar, but I would still like a way to place cd markers in Sonar, and improve the wav editing.

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 18:04:00 (permalink)
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Can somebody give this guy more holidays?


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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 18:55:34 (permalink)
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My opinion:
Listening to this on my laptop through headphones I liked Panup's mix better.
The LANDR-mix felt a little to piercing to the ears. I can imagine that listening to a whole CD mastered by LANDR will lead to ear-fatigue sooner?
Panup's mix/master seemed just that little bit mellower which is a style I just happen to like more...



+1.
Landr version is more hyped, more compressed and a bit louder (volume difference of the test files were matched to make comparison easier).
Dynamics in my version is more natural. In my opinion this kind of song does need to sound bigger and louder than everything else.
 
I like the Landr version. Next week I'm editing band's music video and I have an opportunity to select between masters or make a remaster with fresh pair of ears. In Youtube video I would use Landr but in CD my version.
 
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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 19:16:17 (permalink)
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...In Youtube video I would use Landr but in CD my version.

Ah yes; that makes sense (to me...)
 

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 20:42:44 (permalink)
I thought the bass was over emphasized in the LANDR master.  LANDR may have boosted it, but you probably had it right in the mix.  There was more space in the LANDR master, though.  I guess what I am saying is like some of what LANDR did to the mix and some of what you did.  Knowing what LANDR does could influence how you mix to get the results you want, though it will probably take some trial and error.

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 21:33:35 (permalink)
Great blog Papup!   Good to read a balanced,  informed review of Landr amidst the hype and derision. 

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/04 21:42:22 (permalink)
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Knowing what LANDR does could influence how you mix to get the results you want, though it will probably take some trial and error.



Exactly...which is not all that different from working with a human mastering engineer, who should be willing to go back and forth a few times until you get what you want.
 
I have to say that based on the reactions I've seen, a lot of people must have had not very good interactions with mastering engineers...a good one will work with you. Obviously LANDR can't interact with you on a personal level, but I think people would understand LANDR better if they'd worked with a real mastering engineer who will say "okay, you want a little more/less bass, let me give it another pass." The difference with LANDR is if the preview has too much bass, then it's on you to reduce the bass in the mix instead of the mastering engineer in the master, and then you need to try again. 

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Re: User studio session case study on Landr mastering 2016/03/07 14:09:36 (permalink)
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I don't mind that Landr is in Sonar, but I would still like a way to place cd markers in Sonar, and improve the wav editing.




The Cakewalk program Pyro is a wave editor with CD marker placement. I'd like to see a more integrated way to master and burn CD's built into Sonar, but Pyro does the job just fine.

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