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2018/04/04 02:58:54 (permalink)

Using 2 Audio Interfaces

So I've been playing with the thought of getting a RME babyface pro and using it as my main interface to cut latency down and improve stability. I also have a presonus 192. Is it possible to inter face the 192 into the RME via adat so I still have a good amount of channels? Thanks

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Application(DAW): Studio One 3 Pro and SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
Audio Interfaces: PreSonus Studio 192 and Focusrite: Scarlett 6i6 (Most current updates)
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/04 13:26:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby highlandermak 2018/04/05 00:31:17
    Make sure both audio interfaces are running off the same digital-clock (one master, the other the slave).
    At that point, the 192 is simply acting as A/D (feeding the Babyface).  It'll work just fine.

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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/05 03:14:26 (permalink)
    Can this be done with asio drivers, and firewire 800/usb?
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/05 12:46:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby highlandermak 2018/04/06 02:33:05
    Yes, because you're actually only using one ASIO audio interface in your DAW application.
    The second interface is merely acting as A/D (sending audio digitally via lightpipe to the main audio interface).

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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/06 21:45:30 (permalink)
    Here's a great question, from a latency standpoint would the babyface have less then the 192 (in general)? For use with sonar and studio one , This is what I've been told by some salespeople however I trust this community more so.

    Computer: CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme VR GXiVR8140A Gaming PC
    OS: Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
    CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core | Intel Z370 Express Chipset
    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX 1080 8GB
    USB: 6 x USB 3.1 | 2 x USB 2.0 | 1x RJ-45 Network Ethernet 10/100/1000
    Storage: 240GB SSD+2TB HDD
    Application(DAW): Studio One 3 Pro and SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
    Audio Interfaces: PreSonus Studio 192 and Focusrite: Scarlett 6i6 (Most current updates)
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/08 17:34:59 (permalink)
    Yes, The Babyface Pro will have lower round-trip latency than the 192.
     
    Note that the newer Presonus Quantum (Thunderbolt) audio interfaces offer extremely low round-trip latency.

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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/09 13:55:36 (permalink)
    If only PCs had a good solution for the Thunderbolt connection. I purchased my new PC with a motherboard that supports Thunderbolt however finding the hardware addon has been less than easy. The manufacturer rep indicated I needed to purchases it from a 3rd party with no clear direction on what worked with my motherboard. Plus I've heard the whole PC Thunderbolt addon has had many issues. At least it sounds like the babyface or any RME product would offer lower RTL and have better stability. thanks 

    Computer: CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme VR GXiVR8140A Gaming PC
    OS: Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
    CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core | Intel Z370 Express Chipset
    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX 1080 8GB
    USB: 6 x USB 3.1 | 2 x USB 2.0 | 1x RJ-45 Network Ethernet 10/100/1000
    Storage: 240GB SSD+2TB HDD
    Application(DAW): Studio One 3 Pro and SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
    Audio Interfaces: PreSonus Studio 192 and Focusrite: Scarlett 6i6 (Most current updates)
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/09 14:26:31 (permalink)
    FWIW, Thunderbolt-3 on PC works well.
    I'm using a UA Apollo-8 and Satellite expander (via Thunderbolt-3).
    Rock-solid...
     
    For Thunderbolt-3 on a PC, you need the following:
    Motherboard that has a Thunderbolt-3 header (the BIOS has to specifically support Thunderbolt-3)
    Thunderbolt-3 "add-in-card" that was made for use with the motherboard
    Up-to-date install of Win10
    The audio interface has to have PC drivers that support "PCIe via Thunderbolt"
    Thunderbolt-3 to Thunderbolt-2 adapter
     
    Note that Microsoft doesn't support "PCIe via Thunderbolt" with Thunderbolt-2 controllers.

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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/11 15:21:30 (permalink)
    Thank you so much for the insight. So here's another question what other usb audio interfaces (in general) would offer lower latency then the 192?

    Computer: CYBERPOWERPC Gamer Xtreme VR GXiVR8140A Gaming PC
    OS: Genuine Windows 10 64 bit (Most current updates)
    CPU: Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core | Intel Z370 Express Chipset
    Graphic: NVIDIA GTX 1080 8GB
    USB: 6 x USB 3.1 | 2 x USB 2.0 | 1x RJ-45 Network Ethernet 10/100/1000
    Storage: 240GB SSD+2TB HDD
    Application(DAW): Studio One 3 Pro and SONAR PLATINUM - Version (Most current update)
    Audio Interfaces: PreSonus Studio 192 and Focusrite: Scarlett 6i6 (Most current updates)
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/16 13:17:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby highlandermak 2018/04/17 14:38:42
    Any of the RME or MOTU USB audio interfaces would offer lower round-trip latency than the 192.
    Sub 5ms total round-trip latency...

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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/17 15:33:07 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry
    FWIW, Thunderbolt-3 on PC works well.
    I'm using a UA Apollo-8 and Satellite expander (via Thunderbolt-3).
    Rock-solid...
     
    For Thunderbolt-3 on a PC, you need the following:
    Motherboard that has a Thunderbolt-3 header (the BIOS has to specifically support Thunderbolt-3)
    Thunderbolt-3 "add-in-card" that was made for use with the motherboard
    Up-to-date install of Win10
    The audio interface has to have PC drivers that support "PCIe via Thunderbolt"
    Thunderbolt-3 to Thunderbolt-2 adapter
     
    Note that Microsoft doesn't support "PCIe via Thunderbolt" with Thunderbolt-2 controllers.


    I can't believe what I am reading... Jim, you are actually endorsing thunderbolt?
     
    Kind regards,
     
    tecknot
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    Jim Roseberry
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    Re: Using 2 Audio Interfaces 2018/04/17 21:18:15 (permalink)
    Thunderbolt provides external access to the PCIe bus (nothing more... nothing less).
    Under ideal circumstances, you'll achieve PCIe level performance with an external audio interface.
     
    As long as you meet all the following conditions, Thunderbolt-3 works great:
    • Motherboard with integrated Thunderbolt-3 controller or motherboard that supports a TB3 add-in-card (must have a TB3 header and the BIOS must support that specific controller).
    • Up-to-date Win10 install
    • Drivers for your audio interface must support "PCIe via Thunderbolt" under Win10
    • Unless you're running the UA Arrow, you'll need a Thunderbolt-3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt-2 adapter

    Best Regards,

    Jim Roseberry
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