Using Ableton Live inside Sonar X1

radu789


  I want to know how to setup the system for having Ableton Live inside Sonar

Is Live a rewire device? What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?
 
Brian

mmm i think something is not right . When i click insert/rewire/abelton Ableton is not there

Be sure to buy and install Live first before trying to open it as a rewire device in Sonar.

I want to do that , to have both at the same time because i have read (that you can't do with Ableton what you can do with Sonar and vice versa) that both have huge advantages in two different directions and if you know both perfectly you have no limits in every direction .. I don't know if it's true or not but i\m ready to find out after i learn Ableton 100%....

unfortunately i\m running 64-bit

Stone House Studios

radu789


  I want to know how to setup the system for having Ableton Live inside Sonar

Is Live a rewire device? What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?
 
Brian

great drummaschines, great synths, lightyears better MIDI routing, MIDImapping and control over FX and softsynths, GREAT AUDIOwarping without bugs.... do I need to say more?

Stone House Studios  - believe me - Sonar is miles (or years) in back of Ableton if just look at MIDI implementation, control surfaces and - what can you do with it.
And that's very important when you want to take comlplete control over parameters inside your VST plugins.
In Sonar you just have ACT - which is like a steam machine - very interestung but almost useless in conteporary times.

And - my English isn't perfect, but it doesn't change fact, that Sonar's MIDI impleentation in terms of using it to control VSTs is LACKING.

adrian4u


Stone House Studios  - believe me - Sonar is miles (or years) in back of Ableton if just look at MIDI implementation, control surfaces and - what can you do with it.
And that's very important when you want to take comlplete control over parameters inside your VST plugins.
In Sonar you just have ACT - which is like a steam machine - very interestung but almost useless in conteporary times.

And - my English isn't perfect, but it doesn't change fact, that Sonar's MIDI impleentation in terms of using it to control VSTs is LACKING.

adrian4u -
You've misread my question and are using it as an opportunity to sing Live's praises on the Sonar forum.
What I asked,
 

What is it that you want Live to do in Sonar that you can't do in Live?

phrased differently is "What is it that Sonar will add to Live that makes you need to use it in Sonar?"
 
Not "Why is Live better than Sonar?" or "Why do you prefer Live over Sonar?" which are the questions you answered, and not very politely.

Stone House Studios - answer to your question is above - written by Zo :)

But I don't think ABLETON is as crapy as Zo describes.
In a fact it's a great, modular and liveact-oriented tool, and because its philosophy is totally diffferent from SONAR.

And - try tu use Ableton and you'll see where SONAR has to make significant changes: MIDI, ergonomy....

It's very crapy, that if yu want to take MIDI control over (ie.) NI Guitar Rig in SONAR, you have to plug it in as a SYNTHESIZER! Other way "live mode" and floorboard are useless. Try to explain those "stupid guitar guys" that Sonar is SO FRIENDLY for them.

I don't want to discuss "what is better" in general, because everyone has its own preferences, and for live purposes Ableton for now is the one and only.

I can't discuss about quality of suming, about overall ergonomy as an effect of totally different plilodophy and DNA.

but I can say few things. Love it or hate it, but in many cases Sonar is much better than Ableton, but in many important details - Ablton has no competitors. Even Sonar is just a point somewere in rear mirror.

And - Ableton together with Sonar, could be great duet. Sonar for scoring/composing, mastering, Ableton for sketches, fast pattern-based music, basic recording, tweaking and live performance.
But if you think that Sonar's Matrix will replace Ableton at all - you're wrong, because Ableton is much more than just "matrix" - it's all about MIDI, controlling, live tweaking, MIDI mastercontrols in channelstrips and in softsynth/FX-strips....
/Sonar has only (ONLY) ACT, which was maybe nice tool 5-7 years ago, but today it's just an epic fail./

Maybe these things are not as useful in studio environment - but just  "maybe". Try Ableton, STONE STUDIO, befor you trash it. Or give me example, how to use "stupid" Guitar Rig's live mode in Sonar. Or how to map few controls to FXstrip, which includes (i.e.) 5 different FX.

In a fact I almost love Sonar, but I won't leave Ableton. I will do it just in one case (it gonna be cold day in hell) - when SONAR get the same MIDI functionality and ergonomy.

Brian - In my opinion SONAR had BETTER production abilities and tools...

Let's show it this way: Abletn is like sophisticated "groovebox", with good instruments in it, very gd electronic drumkits, effects.. and It's vell-intergrateed and gives control, fun, ease of use etc.

In other way - Sonar has bettter offline mixing/mastering abilities, with sohisticated effects, mixing console, but without "fancy" instruments onboard.

I think that could be a reason to connect Ableton and Sonar together. To get almost omnipotential system.

........But for live purposes I'll be aware of Sonar's stability and small (un)ability to work as a mixing console for external signals :P
........But in studio environment - comparing to illogical Cubase - i LOVE SONAR :P

For me, Zo, it's very easy to set up Ableton for live performance, uing VST and HARDWARE instruments, using VST and EXTERNAL EFX units with totally werd combinations - and to still have full control over whole project. Ableton has INPUT GAIN (in opposite to pour SONAR), has better "matrix", has good as hell MIDI mapping abilities.
TRY IT BY YouRSELF.
If you'll go thru different DNA (just to underline: Ableton is generally for LIVEACTS purposes, and then for production purposes), the rest is pure fun and creativity.
And you'll maybe start to wondering, why "so simple" software has these all goods and "very sophisticated and pro" Sonar - hasn't.
 
For better examples what you can do with Ableton - go to Ableton's homepage. Look at MIDI mapping, warping (no issues with disappearing knots), efx combinations, drumsets and instruemnts.

adrian4u


For me, Zo, it's very easy to set up Ableton for live performance, uing VST and HARDWARE instruments, using VST and EXTERNAL EFX units with totally werd combinations - and to still have full control over whole project. Ableton has INPUT GAIN (in opposite to pour SONAR), has better "matrix", has good as hell MIDI mapping abilities.
TRY IT BY YouRSELF.
If you'll go thru different DNA (just to underline: Ableton is generally for LIVEACTS purposes, and then for production purposes), the rest is pure fun and creativity.
And you'll maybe start to wondering, why "so simple" software has these all goods and "very sophisticated and pro" Sonar - hasn't.
 
For better examples what you can do with Ableton - go to Ableton's homepage. Look at MIDI mapping, warping (no issues with disappearing knots), efx combinations, drumsets and instruemnts.

Thks but i have live suite ;) no need to watch video ....

What INPUT GAIN "for incoming audio"? And why is that important to you? Sonar has had a trim control for ages, if that's what you mean. Anyway, as much as you can control Live itself with external controllers, it is severely handicapped when it comes to control external hardware synths WITH Live, it can't even record a sysex dump, which is the most basic thing a midi sequencer should be able to do regarding that task. Live was born as an audio app, and it is fine for that, and much fun for many things, but IMO its midi is inmature, unstable  and very often annoying.

No. You are 100% correct.