Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs

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2008/04/13 20:22:28 (permalink)

Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs

Is it possible to install the various instruments included in Sonar 7 Studio Edition in their own right , i.e. without the rest of the Sonar DAW?

I have 7SE but have found myself mainly using Cubase Studio 4. I wondered, therefore, which of Sonar's bundled soft instruments would work as VSTs within Cubase. I refer to the following:

* Dimension LE (with Garritan Pocket Orchestra)
* Rapture LE—modern synthesized sounds
* DropZone—drag & drop sampler and REX loop Editor
* Session Drummer 2—virtual drum instrument
* Roland TTS-1—GM2 Roland® synthesizer
* Roland GrooveSynth—Genuine groove box and synthesizer sounds
* SFZ—SoundFont sampler
* Cyclone—Groove sampler

If the above can be installed without the rest of Sonar, how could that be done?

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    altima_boy_2001
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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/13 20:59:17 (permalink)
    During the install you should be able to customize what will be installed by checking/unchecking various items. However, I believe several of the items you listed are tied specifically to Sonar and will not be usable in another host.
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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/13 21:41:58 (permalink)
    I'm also not sure if they are all VSTi or if some are DXi. If they are DXi then I think you would need some kind of shell to run them in Cubase since Steinberg dropped support for DX.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/14 03:11:01 (permalink)
    Rapture LE and Dimension LE definitely have VSTi support. Not sure about the others though.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/14 14:42:19 (permalink)
    Is Dimension LE a sample-based instrument or a synth? I'm not quite clear on that point, reading the Cakewalk website's description.

    I ask because I'm wondering whether to install its content files on my sample partition.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/14 18:31:10 (permalink)
    Dimension is more sample-based than synth.
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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/16 08:18:47 (permalink)
    I have been abandoning Sonar for Cubase Studio as well... Dont have Sonar 7, but from my Sonar 6 PE:

    Dimension LE, PSYN, SFZ, and Session Drummer 2 all work well in Cubase as VSTi. I also have the full Dimension Pro, Rapture and they work fine as VSTi in Cubase.

    Cyclone, Velocity, the Roland stuff.... are all DXi and will NOT work.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/18 16:18:31 (permalink)
    comradec - if you have Session Drummer 2 try that in Cubase Studio. It works fine, but NOT if I drag a midi pattern from SD2 to Cubase. Upon re-opening of the file crash city.

    But if you avoid that its fine

    I miss VELOCITY though....
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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/18 20:18:15 (permalink)
    Thats funny, I went the other way from Cubase to Sonar (though not from 4). I much prefer Sonar and the instruments are better IMO.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/29 00:34:45 (permalink)
    I just couldn't fathom all the routing and re-routing complexity in Sonar, so I bought it because of all the included VSTs and mastering tools - which I use in Live. Is that shameful? Without any music background whatsoever, I found the Sonar manual very skimpy.

    Am I missing out on some fun because of my naivety?

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/29 11:07:47 (permalink)
    ojectman,

    you are missing out on some of the fun - it is a very nice program. But whatever floats your boat. I tried most of the major DAWs years ago and found Cakewalk the easiest to grok. But Vegas (Sony's audio/video editor) is still the easiest program for me to use - part of that it is the first one I learned and therefore seems "natural". Even when it is not. Such as adding effects - you first have to open up the fx chain page, then click another button to add the effect to the chainer. Kinda roundabout but I never questioned it until it was pointed out to me - every other daw/editor you just open and add the effect and save the chain/preset.

    If you are happy and fast with your workflow, I wouldn't worry about it. But since you have SONAR, I would try using it for a few things and see what you like about it. I would imagine recording long takes and mixing would be better than live, tho I don't know since I don't use live. But you might find a few things better/easier in SONAR as a tool.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/29 21:06:39 (permalink)
    You're dead right. It's what you know that makes something seem easy / hard. Like the boring Mac Vs. PC debate. I guess I just started out in Live 'cause it was a free download.

    Live is good for getting something happening very quickly - a riff or a quick tune - and looping it. It's got some excellent automation features. BUT ... if I could actually play an instrument, it would probably be best recorded in Sonar. I'd love to give it a good try. I'm a filmmaker and I'm in this because I'm actually getting paid to do music on a whole bunch of Docos. Weird for aomeone with NO music background whatsoever. So I have to learn quick!

    Are there any well-written manuals on Sonar? Something for absolute beginners. I've recently bought the Idiot (the brand) books Music Theory and Music Composition which are a bit fun.

    Can someone point me in the right direction? Is there a definitive Sonar guide? With step-by-step instructions and little screen grabs? I'm a BIG reader these days and find this stuff ABSLUTELY fascinating.

    And time consuming.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/29 23:23:45 (permalink)
    Look for Scott Garigus's (sp?) book under Sonar resources. Lot's of people swear by it. There are also video tutorials which are pretty good for an intro.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/30 11:48:06 (permalink)
    You could look on Sony's site for audio loops. They have a whole collection in plenty of styles that you could use. I forgot the price, but it could be a great start for you.
    Also, Band in a Box, might help you get started. http://www.pgmusic.com/bandbox.htm

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/04/30 12:07:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cityrat

    I have been abandoning Sonar for Cubase Studio as well... Dont have Sonar 7, but from my Sonar 6 PE:

    Dimension LE, PSYN, SFZ, and Session Drummer 2 all work well in Cubase as VSTi. I also have the full Dimension Pro, Rapture and they work fine as VSTi in Cubase.



    I managed to install the Cakewalk VST instruments without the main Sonar DAW, but I'm having a problem with Dimension LE.

    Whenever I record a MIDI part on a track assigned to Dimension, I just get a cacophony of notes merging into each other on playback. Checking the MIDI data, I can see that the notes I intended are all there okay, but that's not what comes out when I playback. It sounds as if all the notes are sustaining themselves forever and clashing with each other until it runs out of polyphony.

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    RE: Using Cakewalk instruments in other DAWs 2008/05/09 19:41:55 (permalink)
    comradec, there is an update patch for the full versions to work in DAW's beside sonar..

    but remember thats the FULL version of DP

    http://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/kb20070829.asp

    LE is really part of sonar.

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