ZeroContrast
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Using MP3's in Sonar X1
I'm new to Sonar, looking to switch to a more full-range DAW, so I'm trying the trial at the moment. I'll be primarily recording rap music, and occasionally the instrumentals I'll be using will be in MP3. It's easy enough to put them into Sonar and map the tempo, but I'm wondering, is there any way to have Sonar NOT create a WAV of the track as well? I try to keep most my projects backed up via cloud and space is important, so if all I have is an MP3, I'd rather just save the space and keep it that way.
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CJaysMusic
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/06 09:21:39
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Sonar converts to a wave file, as MP3's suck butt for sound quality MP3's degrade sound quality with the use of data compression. Its in your best interest to mixand record in a wave file format. Preferably in the 32bit floating point and at least 44.1kHz or 48kHz. anything higher than 48kHz for Hip hop/ Rap is a waste of space and resources.. You do not want to be mixing in an MP3 format. The sound quality will suffer. After you done, you can convert to an MP3 format of 320 bitrate or 256, but i would not go lower than 256 bitrate for any MP3's. CJ
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Wood67
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/06 09:38:17
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I think the OP may be asking for the switch that avoids Sonar re-copying any sample files to the project directory (converting to wavs as it goes). I think the answer is yes to that question, but I forget exactly where that option is - it'll be in the Preferences section somewhere. btw - welcome to the forums Zero. Good bunch of people here who will make your journey to Sonar much easier!
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/06 09:43:42
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Oh, yea, i totally didn't see that angle when reading it Cj
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ZeroContrast
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/06 19:47:34
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@CJ Thanks for the info, though it's mostly things I knew. The only thing I'm going to mix in MP3 are the handful of instrumentals that I bought from a friend that he only still had in MP3, so no choice. My question was like Wood said, trying to disable the auto-copy, having a redundant 40MB wav is a waste of space. I've gone through the options and haven't found a way yet to change this option. If anyone does please let me know. And thanks for the welcome, Wood.
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 00:20:38
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CJaysMusic After you done, you can convert to an MP3 format of 320 bitrate or 256, but i would not go lower than 256 bitrate for any MP3's. CJ Hi CJ, When uploading to Soundcloud, it is compoudsary to convert to 128 bitrate? BTW, I had used Audacity's mp3 converter and the sound quality sucks big time. I had to fork out 19 bucks for Cakewalk's mp3 converter which finally give my some quality that my music deserves. Choo Shi-Hwei This is my first upload to soundcloud using Cakewalk's MP3 converter http://soundcloud.com/musichoo/expanded-choo-shi-hweis-remix
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robert_e_bone
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 06:07:45
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ZeroContrast I'm new to Sonar, looking to switch to a more full-range DAW, so I'm trying the trial at the moment. I'll be primarily recording rap music, and occasionally the instrumentals I'll be using will be in MP3. It's easy enough to put them into Sonar and map the tempo, but I'm wondering, is there any way to have Sonar NOT create a WAV of the track as well? I try to keep most my projects backed up via cloud and space is important, so if all I have is an MP3, I'd rather just save the space and keep it that way. Welcome to Sonar and to the forum. Is there any way you can pick up either an additional internal hard drive or an external one? You can get secondary storage dirt cheap these days, and that would eliminate your space problems for both current projects and backups. A 1 Terabyte internal drive costs about $85, and a 2 Terabyte drive costs $99, from www.microcenter.com, and there are numerous other sites selling them that cheap, as well. If you picked up an external drive, a 500 GB drive runs about $50-$60, and a 1 TB drive runs about $99. Bob Bone
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 06:09:30
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Sorry - forgot to +1 on the concept of keeping things in .wav format until the very last step of converting to MP3. You lose SOOOO much quality working with MP3 if you use MP3 anywhere in the process except at the end. Bob Bone
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 10:01:51
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MP3's are used for collaboration and they work fine. You send an mp3 with your mix sans guitar(or whatever) then they record the guitar part and send you the wav of the guitar and you add it to the mix. Wma's work better though, when you import an mp3 you need to trim the space off the front or it will cause timing problems, wma's you can just drop in.
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Wood67
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 10:57:18
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@Zero - page 1681 of the user guide covers the Audio Data Preferences. In there is an option to 'Always Copy Imported Audio Files'. I believe if you leave that flag null it will leave your source files without copying them. However, that will lead eventually to issues when you lose them - much better to have everything for your project copied into a single project folder structure. You can get even an external HDD pretty cheap.
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 11:15:08
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I think what the OP is after is simply to be able to drop an MP3 file into Sonar and that it remains as an MP3. The problem is this would only be possible if Sonar could be set to work in the MP3 format entirely. In other words, the vocals would now be recorded as an MP3 track. Because it works in the WAVE 32 bit format it HAS to convert the MP3 into that format to function. You cannot use multiple formats within a project. As there is zero quality gain in converting an MP3 into a WAVE it would make perfect sense to just keep the original format, unfortunately as far as I know this is not possible with Sonar. Correct me if wrong but I have never seen an option to record audio in MP3 format. BUT there might be other software that does. Audacity?
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/07 16:16:04
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@cactus - thoroughly agree and dead on. the only mp3 converter that i personally use is itunes. if you're going to be uploading to soundcloud, export audio as a wav file and upload that. sc compresses whatever you upload using their encoders, so if you upload an mp3 it's going to go through another layer of compression which will further degrade sound quality. @tacman - yeah for collaboration, but only if in your example you take the wav of the guitar and bring it back into a project that has the original recording. layering it over an import of a mp3 is just going to provide very inferior results with glitches in quality.
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ZeroContrast
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/08 09:44:57
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@Wood - just found 'Always Copy Imported Audio Files' before I read the recent posts. And after some pretty extensive experimenting I've found out a few things: @Cactus - from what I can tell, you're right in that Sonar HAS to have a file in WAV, however it doesn't simply work in 32 bit format, it depends on what render/import settings you choose. And actually even if I told it to import audio files and 32bit AND render 32bit, it still had to make a new copy of it for some reason as well, whereas with 16bit WAV's could be dropped directly in without creating a copy at all (if I unchecked 'Always Copy Imported Audio Files'). So, unless something is strange about my previous 32bit recordings, Sonar seems to prefer, or at least be less picky with 16bit WAV's. The only time it had to make a copy of a 16bit WAV was when I set 'Import' at 32bit. Also @Cactus, it does sound like you're the one that understood best what I was aiming for after all, haha. I do find it funny that a high end program like Sonar can't handle different file formats and bit depths simultaneously while Acid Pro (what I've mostly used previously, and seems less advanced) can. Which speaking of Sony programs: @Musichoo - I usually use Sony's Sound Forge to save my files as MP3. It gives you a chance to do some final touch-ups before you save as well. And there's lots of bit rates and options to chose.
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ZeroContrast
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Re:Using MP3's in Sonar X1
2012/11/08 09:50:24
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Also another question, and this may be best posted in another area, but since most of the instrumentals I've produced myself are in FL Studio, is there a way to sort of ReWire or have the whole FL Studio project sort of stream into Sonar to play as I record to it? I know it's not likely, but if I can avoid having to save the instrumental, then record and save the whole song and instead just master it all at one time it'd be nice.
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