Mr Scary
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Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
Has anyone here had any luck using the Roland GK-2A or Roland GK-3 as a device for capturing MIDI input from a guitar? I am not interested in using the GR33 or any synth device to generate the audo, but rather using the GK-2a/GK-3 as an input device to Sonar where I can then assign an external MIDI Sound Module (Roland U220) to play/change the assigned instruments. I am a guitarist and would find using a keyboard to input MIDI as a slow learning curve. I have had success using the GK-2A with thw VG8, but not as an input device for any Home Recording solution. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:07:36
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I am not interested in using the GR33 or any synth device to generate the audo, but rather using the GK-2a/GK-3 as an input device to Sonar where I can then assign an external MIDI Sound Module (Roland U220) to play/change the assigned instruments. I have had some luck, but I use it for creating keyboard parts instead of guitar parts. I use a GK-2A with a GR-33. Just heard of the GK-3. I need to check out what the difference is from the 2A. I have recorded the GR-33, audio and midi, as well as my guitar parts and it sounded pretty good. I wasn't doing any chicken picking though. Just slow chords.
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Mr Scary
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:11:29
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Thanks for the reply. As stated before, I will use the U220 as my MIDI sound module, do I was/am interested as using the GK-2A/GK-3 only as a MIDI input device. I will not use the GK-2a to capture/emulate guitar. (I will use my Bogner for that  ) I will probably use it to capture/play strings, piano and other stuff that us guitarists cannot due on a keyboard. LOL
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Keni
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:19:53
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I've been using guitar controllers for many years now... Some things to consider? Do 'not' assign a MIDI channel to the track, only a port. You must select the midi output of the gr33 for your track's input source (the pickup alone will NOT do anything) and the U220 for the midi output. Funny, I use an Axon AX100 controller which has it's little built-in Yamaha synth module, but I use a U220 for most of my sounds instead. It's really well suited for gtr synth..... Look out for MIDI loops.... Make sure you turn OFF local control on the gr-33 so that you don't multi-trigger.... I hope some of this helps? Keni
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:25:09
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I will not use the GK-2a to capture/emulate guitar. (I will use my Bogner for that ) I will probably use it to capture/play strings, piano and other stuff that us guitarists cannot due on a keyboard. LOL Exactly the first reason I got it. I got tired of editing my midi recorded from a DX100. I get much more expression from the GK-2A and GR33.
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Mr Scary
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:26:08
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Keni, Thanks, but I do not own a GR33. Only the U220. From what I am hearing you say, the GK-2A does indeed capture the MIDI signal. If this is the case, I'll order the device and start captureing the MIDI from my guitar so that I can use the U220 for the sound. I hope i followed you correctly. Thanks
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Keni
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:30:41
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The pickup is simply a hex pickup (seperate pickup for each string), it still requires a MIDI "brain" to translate the analog pitch info into MIDI info, so you need a controller of some kind.... Check out the Axon... I forget who just bought the company, it used to be "Blue Chip Music" but it has been purchased by one of the major manufacturers.... Keni
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 11:41:12
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I have been using this http://www.roland.com/products/en/GR-20/index.html it uses the GK-3 and it works very, very well.......... EDIT: I use the GK-20 midi output into Sonar with a DXI......I love it......
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mlockett
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 12:21:09
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Just heard of the GK-3. I need to check out what the difference is from the 2A. Conley, I've got the GK-3; I think the difference in it and the GK-2a is the profile is lower on the GK-3, so it can potentially fit more guitars. Scary, As Keni said, you have to have a brain to translate it to midi. Roland has the GI20 that is only a brain with a USB connector (no synth), but for another $100+ more you can get a GR20 which a synth with a lot of usable sounds (IMO), but no USB. To answer the original question... yes I've been successfull capturing midi from the GK-3 (using the GR20).
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KevinK
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 12:30:01
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I use an old GK-2 with a new GI-20 for that sort of thing, and I'm pretty happy with it. I have no idea how much better a GK-2a or GK-3 might be. My MIDI strat was originally GK-2+GR-1, which tracked OK for the built-in sounds but which was essentially useless as a MIDI controller. The GI-20 is *much* better, particularly if I use the USB MIDI driver, as opposed to the MIDI output of the GI-20 (the standard MIDI output works fine, but the USB seems to give slightly lower latency). If you want to hear a bad example of this setup in action on a hastily thrown-together Sonar project, check out "Evasion" at http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/thekrellmusic.htm The synth tracks (Reaktor and ORGANized Trio) were input using the GI-20, quantized and looped, and the doubled guitar/violin was done by recording the guitar audio and MIDI at the same time and slaving a Kontakt violin patch off the MIDI.
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Mr Scary
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 13:04:39
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Thanks for all of your expertise! I cannot believe how quickly you guys respond. THat is awesome. Talk about a group of users who know equipment/applications and working knowledge. You guys are GREAT! Thanks
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VariousArtist
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 19:40:02
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I am not interested in using the GR33 or any synth device to generate the audo, but rather using the GK-2a/GK-3 as an input device to Sonar where I can then assign an external MIDI Sound Module (Roland U220) to play/change the assigned instruments. I realize that the following has been alluded to in a couple of other responses, but I just wanted to make sure that you are clear on one thing: the GK2a/Gk3 alone will NOT generate the MIDI data you require for Sonar You need something inbetween the pickup on your guitar and the MIDI interface on your PC that translates the information coming from the pickup into MIDI data. Any device like the GR-33, GR-20, GI10, GI-20 from Roland (or some of the other similar products from Axon, etc.) will take the signal from the GK2a/3 pickup and deliver MIDI data as its output. The GR-33 and GR-20 have an added benefit of ALSO providing sounds that can be triggered, but any of these devices will allow you to control an external synth. It seems that you are not interested in the sounds in the GR33/GR20 (or the additional expense in having that on-board) so the GI10 and GI20 sound like the missing piece that you require. I think one of these might even translate your voice into MIDI data, which might be a cool 'side-feature'. Sorry if you already inferred this from the above responses, but it didn't seem clear to me that this was the case. Nice to see others out there who use a Guitar Synth setup -- it's certainly a lot of fun! Good luck!
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Mr Scary
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RE: Using Roland GK-2a or GK-3??
2004/08/17 19:49:57
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That was exactly what I was looking for! Thanks. I got that from the information which was posted prior as well. I have the U220 and dont know if I want to spend the additional $200 to go for the GR33. It seems like I can save the cash and buy the GI20. At this rate, I can look to spend the savings on another mic or something. Thanks for your answer. It was right on target.
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