Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking?

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2013/01/17 10:14:42 (permalink)

Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking?

So here's the scoop. I'm trying to figure out the easiest and most cost effective way to be able to track my vocals in another room without have to haul my entire DAW around. It's mainly just for vocals as I'm a little shy when I'm trying to hammer out parts and don't want the neighbors to hear me squeaking and croaking away. I've considered elaborate set ups involving long cables to hook up peripherals and mics from the DAW into the other room but that costs a bit of money and will be a bit of pain as I couldn't leave them hooked up. I also don't have a second desk in that room to set up another workstation for this and where the current desk in that room is is too far and in an awkward spot for all that cabling.

I figure the easiest way to go about it is to use my laptop and just install my USB interface onto it and record my vox that way. However the laptop is WAY below the minimum specs for even X1. I'm just wondering how many of you guys have tried running on underpowered systems and how much success you've had. I know this is obviously not advisable but it's all I've got for now so here's what I'm thinking to keep resource usage down.

*I'd export the backing tracks of what I'm working on down to a single stereo track (or even a mono track if that somehow would reduce power consumption). 

*I'd only be recording one or two tracks at once. 

*Obviously I'd optimize the system as best I can for audio (can this be done in a second user profile?). 

*I'd push my latency buffers up as far as I can without causing the latency to be too unbearable to work with and/or use the 0 latency monitor setting on my interface (I don't need FX). 

*I'd have absolutely no FX or any extra fiddle faddle in the project. 

*I would like to keep things at the original sample rate/bit depth (I use 96k/24bit) but maybe there is a way to lower those without effecting quality and then importing them back into the original project at the correct settings (will this be a bad idea?).

*I would use Sonar X1 on the lappy as it's required specs say dual core whereas X2 wants quad core and then I'd just open the new clips up in X2 on the main DAW 

Is there anything else I should be trying to do to make this work? Will this work at all? There is a fellow Shawn (trustmedia) on here who said he's had some good results with his laptops with the right tweaks and set ups but I'd like to see if anyone else has tried this kind of thing.

Here are the laptop specs:

*Acer Aspire

*AMD Dual Core E300 running at 1.30GHz (this is the main limitation of the system as far as I can tell)

*3 GB DDR 3 RAM

*1 single 320 GB HDD (not sure the RPM and don't know where to check for that info but I'm assuming 5200RPM or less)

*Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Service Pack 1

*Interface is a Focusrite Scarlett 18i6

So what do you think? Am I living in fantasy land or is this doable? I've also considered using other recording software that might not be as demanding. I have Pyro Audio Creator and I think I can record into that but it's 32 bit and I'm not sure if that will make things screwy. I've also thought maybe the free version of Reaper could do this (gotta research more) but I have no idea how to operate it. Just so many different paths I could take here and not sure where to start. I would very much rather use X1 though as I'm already familiar with it.

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance for any input.

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    js516
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 10:20:51 (permalink)
    How about a portable recorder that has 1/4" or Xlr inputs with a good single channel preamp for your mic? Just wanted to mention it in case you haven't considered that option.

    A sub-spec laptop is probably not a good idea, unless you use a lighter weight app to do the recording. Chances are you project will not play back on a weak laptop.

    In either case (sub spec laptop with other software or a portable multitrack) you will need to mix down your project, since neither a low powered laptop or portable recorder will not play back you Sonar project as-is.
    post edited by js516 - 2013/01/17 10:27:17

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 10:27:09 (permalink)
      Hi. Yeah, I'd love to have a Zoom unit or something but can't afford that kind of investment right now. If I could afford one though I'd probably just pick up a more powerful laptop or maybe a tablet instead because I'd be able to use them for other things too. 

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 10:30:07 (permalink)
    I was thinking more along the lines of one of the Tascams, such as the DP04 or the DP08/DP03.

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 10:37:13 (permalink)
    Right on. I haven't really been looking at standalone recording devices like that in recent years but it's always good to look at what's out there. Still can't afford them though. Cheers.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:01:48 (permalink)
    Hey Beepster, you can do it's simple.  

    I have been recording live gigs with circa 2004 laptops for a few years now and it works fine. The ONLY thing we need the horse power for is VST's. So just stick to audio and you can be recording anywhere you wish with any laptop. 

    Instead of messing with a backing tracks it would be just as simple to copy the entire CWP file. 
     The beauty of all this is you also get a killer back up system for your tunes. 

    I make folders for overall projects like a live band session or say originals. In that folder is everything to do with that set of songs. I make a folder for each song in that folder and in there is the CWP and the audio folder. This is the bullet proof way to do it.  There will also be MP3 versions of cover songs or rough ideas, Lyrics etc.

    So all ya gotta do is copy to a external storage device  ( back up #1) and then to the second computer ( backup #2 ) 
    Make sure to date the containment folder to keep track. 

    " Originals Jan-16-12" 

    To record on the Laptop bypass all efxs ( Ctrl Y )
    If a lot of synths are involved bounce to tracks and create audio versions which will reduce CPU load, You can probably run TTs-1 on that laptop. 

    I have recorded 12 tracks of audio and MIDI in one pass on a 1.4 Celeron 1.5 Gigs of RAM.. I will say that I always have used a 7200 RPM HD which is the most important spec for streaming.  CPU and Memory are not involved much with audio. 

    Sing your heart out , SAVE and transfer back to external, and back to original computer.  Either overwrite or re name ( Laptop Jan 16 -21 ) 

    One thing is best if you use the same interface so Sonar does not re assign inputs and outs, But not a biggy if so. 

    Another thing is screen resolution. If your first computer has a higher resolution the file might open with edges off screen so might have to re size before saving.    

    I just got a Tascam DR 40 for my birthday and it is an option too. The DR 40 is the only one that has both 4 track and XLR inputs for $160.  The others all have mini jacks at this price point and most are only 2 track. 
     
    I have never had to change the default settings in Sonar other than set up my Audio device and MIDI. I have never changed buffers what ever those are. I just By Pass the EFX bins and go at it. THat Laptop with W& is much better than anything I have used so I don't see a issue, Just check it out with DPCLat meter first. 


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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:12:19 (permalink)
    @Cactus... That is REALLY good to know, Johnny. Thanks for the insight. Shawn was telling me not to worry too but I'm a worrier. lol

    I'll definitely be using the same interface. I made sure to snag a USB one so I could swap it between computers easily. I hadn't actually thought of that routing issue but yeah... shouldn't be a problem.

    Well I feel a lot better about this now. I thought it was gonna be a nightmare but that all makes sense. Nice to know that it might be a good option for live off the board recordings as well if I ever get back out onto the club circuit again. Thanks, dude. :-)
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:15:25 (permalink)
    Oh and I have some REALLY old XP systems kicking around that I pretty much figured were scrap at this point but maybe I'll see what I can get going with those. I wonder if Win 7 will install on them. I've got the disc from my DAW build. Wouldn't be able to register it but I don't think that would matter. If it won't X1 supposedly works with XP anyway AFAIK. Cheers!
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:20:13 (permalink)
    if you have an old pc, just use wavsaur / audicity etc. if it's solely for tracking as I doubt either will be cpu hungry compared to a DAW 


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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:22:20 (permalink)
    If you use the folder system with the CWP and audio file in it, you will seamlessly transfer back and forth. 

    There will be little difference working on either computer other than screen size. 

    I even use a 4 GIG USB flash drive sometimes for transfers. 

    Another option is using a shared folder system and  Ethernet ( faster) or wireless connections ( none internet ) between machines.  
    An old router ( free-$20)  that is unplugged from the outside world is all you need. People forget that the original use of Ethernet was inside office buildings.  

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:30:07 (permalink)
    My Laptop is obviously XP 32 bit, and the Desktop is W7 64 bit. 
    I forgot about that hitch. But It matters little for me because the Laptop only records Audio and MIDI data and I don't  insert any VST's at that point. 
    I use Sonar 8.5 on both computers. 
    But for your situation you'll want all 64 bit OS. 

    From what I was told you can install W7 64 bit on a lot of older machines IF you can then find drivers for things like the video card. 
    But It might have to be the entry level W7. 
    There is a 64 bit version of XP but that might cost you, not worth it. 


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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:37:39 (permalink)
     I threw Cakewalk Music Creator on my laptop. I assumed it had a smaller footprint Than Sonar. I think it was a $40 download.
      The projects extensions are the same as in Sonar . Save them as a cakewalk bundle and they open right up.

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:39:04 (permalink)
    If the lappy can run SONAR it should be fine for recording a couple of tracks, even w/ a slow drive.  As pointed out above, it is the effects and synths that take CPU, not recording or playing back tracks.  One of the reasons people used to use PCI slots instead of FW was the strain on the CPU FW made.  I used to play plenty of audio back on a 486 computer - as long as I didn't put reverb on the song.  You had to freeze (before there was a freeze function).

    The other option is a portable recorder.  You can pick up a tascam for $50 w/ pretty good mics and on mine there is a line in.  But Ive used it to record "intimate"  concerts - piano and vox.  If you watch the levels and massage the files later you can get acceptable playback.  W/ an external preamp and mic, it will do very nice recordings, thank you very much.

    Good luck - either way should work.

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:42:44 (permalink)
    @Fog... I had never heard of Wavsaur. Might not be something I'd use for this if Sonar can work but I always like checking out what's out there. Cheers.

    @Cactus... hmm, yeah I'll have to look into what my modem/router thingy can do. I've got another router but I'm giving it to my mom so she can cut off her internet and use her tenant's connection. Cheers.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:43:48 (permalink)
       I agree with the above, I know you can't afford one right now, but the Tascam DP004 is an awesome recorder with phantom power to boot and 4 AA batteries last a very long time, the only downfall is that it's all 16/44.1k.
       Another option, what I do now on my older laptop, is to use Reaper so I can record 24/48k. I favor using a computer over a stand alone recorder personally, just feels like I have way more control. You can even run Reaper from a thumb drive and, atleast for me anyways, it has been very stable for just tracking audio and minor tweaking. I save all my midi work, mixing, mastering, and heavy effects/synths for Sonar. 
       Reaper is Free to try for 30 days I believe, but I was in a situation like your a while back, where I just did not have the funds to purchase any musical equipment and I was closing in on my 30 days, so I wrote them to see if I could use it a little longer and they basically told me that even after the 30 days I could continue using it, but they would appreciate a payment. It was uncrippled the whole time with only a nag screen when starting up, reminding me my trial was over. After 50 some days of using it I ended up buying it and it really works great if you have an older system you want to put to good use, it's probably one of the lights DAW's available and has some great features. 
       Would I trade in Sonar for Reaper...NO WAY, but for what I'm using it for, it definitely is a great tool. HTH 
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:47:18 (permalink)
    @joe... Music Creator was another program I was thinking of if all else fails. In my account it was being offerend for $20. Not sure if that was a special or some kind of crossgrade promo because of all the other stuff I've bought.

    @AT... Cool. Good to hear this isn't a rare way of doing things. Makes sense though considering people have been recording digitally for so long. Just wasn't sure if X1/2 would cause a problem. Cheers.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 11:50:07 (permalink)
    That's the nice thing about Reaper. The $60 they ask for it is next to nothing comparatively and it's really more of a voluntary donation. That was going to be my main DAW until I saw all the goodies Sonar came with at such a low price. Still going to try to learn Reaper at some point though because I'm curious. Cheers.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:04:26 (permalink)

    I'm using an old Toshiba laptop, (2 gig RAM, CPU:  Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU  T7100  @ 1.80GHz) when I'm away from my main DAW. 
    No problems running 5-10 (and sometimes more) audio tracks and some softsynths. 
    I did uppgrade from VISTA to Windows 8 and it gave it a new life. 
    I believe that your old laptop would do just fine for the task you're talking about.


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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:07:08 (permalink)
    I am a very happy Beepster today. Thanks again for all the insight guys. Maybe I can even try doing some PRV composing with some light synths for practice when I don't feel like firing up the big rig.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:16:14 (permalink)
    IT WILL WORK! you don't need to spend money :) 


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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:19:37 (permalink)
    Sweet! Might even try using the internal card as an experiment. That'd be more convenient if I'm just trying to learn stuff/practice workflow.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:44:36 (permalink)
    There are tons of free apps that will work for basic recording that will work on older/modest systems. Audacity and wavosaur come to mind. That is far more practical than trying sonar on an underpowered system. With that said, i love my Zoom H4N. It really is like a portable studio.
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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/17 12:47:10 (permalink)
    his laptop is not really under powered....only for massive vst use

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    Re:Using Sonar on an underpowered laptop for very basic single track tracking? 2013/01/18 18:57:49 (permalink)
    Hey Beepster,
     
    Here is another idea - just thinking out of the box.

    You could use the laptop to connect to your DAW via a remote desktop connection.

    For this to work you would need to have your DAW's lan port connected to a wireless router. Your laptop could connect wirelessly to the network from you vocal recording room and establish a remote desktop session to your DAW and that would give you full control of Sonar on your DAW from your laptop.

    This way you don't have to tranfer your music between computers. You don't even need Sonar installed on the laptop

    Of course you would still have to run a mic cable and headphone cable from your DAW interface to the vocal room. And you would have to set your mic and headphone levels at the DAW before using them in your vocal room.

    Just thought I would throw an different idea out there.
     
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