stevetrusty11
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Using flatten comp with clip effects
First time poster here. Lets say I have a vocal track, effects in the effects bin already. Auditioning the track I notice one of the verses needs eq'ed differently than the rest of the track. (Or add a delay to two words) So I split before and after the vocal line. Right click the clip "insert effects" add eq to taste. Now when I flatten comp will that "clip edit" still be there already eq'd minus the track splits obviously? Also when I freeze the track does it freeze that as well if I do not flatten comp quite yet?
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 16:41:16
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/08/05 16:50:28
Welcome to the forums. - I would personally flatten everything first, then work on FX after. IE- create split points where you want the FX in the track/Add FX to the clip FX. - Freezing a track will freeze it exactly like it was. The track effects bin will be rendered into the frozen clip. Which is the default behavior (For Freeze options). Too access Freeze options: Right-click any track’s Freeze button in the Track view to open the Freeze Options dialog box
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 16:53:04
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☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/08/05 20:36:28
Hi, and welcome to this forum. Also be aware of (IIRC), that if you use a delay on a single clip, it will stop when that said clip is over. I would (if using a delay, or reverb type of FX), copy the clip / portion over to a new track, stretch it, (to make sure the FX has enough space to evolve / decay) before bouncing / freezing. I might be wrong, though All the best.
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 17:03:56
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☄ Helpfulby stevetrusty11 2017/08/07 00:10:56
Clip effects are processed before track effects. You can freeze the track (which applies clip effects and freezes them) without freezing track FX, leaving you free to tweak the compressor later.
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 18:12:53
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☄ Helpfulby stevetrusty11 2017/08/07 00:10:37
To answer your questions: - Now when I flatten comp will that "clip edit" still be there already eq'd minus the track splits obviously? - Yes
- Also when I freeze the track does it freeze that as well if I do not flatten comp quite yet? - Yes
Hope this helps, Paul
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stevetrusty11
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 18:31:14
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Awesome! I think I got it! Thanks guys that helps..
Just one more question if you don't mind, my computer is rather slow once my project reaches about 18 tracks so generally I freeze all midi and audio with the effects, then insert ozone 7 into the master chain.
Mastering my song "within the box" then file "select all" and export. This seems to work just fine. Any reason I shouldn't be doing this instead of bouncing each track? (Which I don't like to do), then mastering and exporting.
As to per say keeping everything unfroze, then export? Problem here is sonar has shut down on me before doing this with larger projects. As well as not being able to "audition my project" before exporting because of constant audio drop outs. I do this often for seeing what the mix sounds like in different settings/environments.
Thanks again.
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/05 22:34:37
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☄ Helpfulby stevetrusty11 2017/08/07 00:10:25
That's my method, too. I hold off bouncing/freezing as long as practical, to leave my options open. For example, I might want to insert a measure or a tempo change, and it's hard to do that once soft synths have been rendered. But just as soon as I'm happy with my MIDI parts, they get frozen because I'm impatient and hate waiting for stuff to load. One potential problem with exporting a large un-rendered project: some samples may not have loaded yet, which can result in lost notes in the export. If I want to export a project that has un-rendered/un-frozen instruments, I take precautions. First, while the project's loading I go get coffee. Waiting a few minutes helps assure that sampled instruments have time to load completely. When I get back with my coffee, I play the project once from beginning to end once, just to make sure. (Another benefit: often, kicking back and listening to that pre-export run-through reveals a problem I hadn't noticed while in the midst of mixing.) Of course, all this could be moot if you've simply exhausted your computer's horsepower. In that case, freezing is your only option. When faced with that problem, I assume a compromise strategy and freeze just my most-demanding track(s). Often, freezing just one of the big instruments makes a big project playable without dropouts. Also, make sure you are bumping your audio buffers up to their maximum size during the mixing and mastering phase of your project. Once you're done playing soft synths in real time, there's no need to keep latency low. Set your interface's buffers to their maximum size.
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Re: Using flatten comp with clip effects
2017/08/07 00:10:15
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Perfect! Thanks Bitflipper and everyone else! Cheers!
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