Using the Roland Integra-7 with Sonar Platinum

I cannot figure out how to assign Integra-7 instruments to a particular track within SONAR (I use Platinum, but the same issue arises in all recent versions of SONAR). All the Instrument Definition provided by Roland lets you do is assign a "Set" to a track, but there doesn't seem to be a way to assign individual instruments for that track. Nor, for that matter, can I switch between banks  within SONAR, except that there is a list of "sets" available.
 
My goal is to update Cakewalk songs that include tracks assigned to a Proteus and re-assign them to Integra-7.
 
In a pitch, I would be happy to configure Integra-7 as a GM2 module, but eventually I would like to use the Supernatural sounds.
 
I probably could use the Roland Integra-7 VST editor to set up a new track with the correct instrument, but that would not meet my requirements of re-assigning old Proteus tracks to Integra-7.
 
 

 
I should mention that I have been using Cakewalk since version 1.0 for DOS, which I bought from Greg Hendershot.

I use the Integra-7 Sound Editor. This is standalone.
This programs sends the configuration for all 16 midi channels to the integra-7.
In this Editor you can save the full set. It's a solution outside Sonar.
Download:
http://synth-voice.sakura.ne.jp/
 
But the solution is not really good.

I will try sending program changes to the Integra to see if that works, thanks for the idea!
 
Update:  no joy, the patch change was transmitted to the Integra in a track set to Midi Channel 1, but the Integra did not react, even though it was set to Part 1.
 
 
 

I checked, and the Integra-7 defaults to receive Program Change and RX Bank select messages - these settings are ON.
 
The issue is that the module does not respond to Patch Change commands in SONAR; I suspect it is because the Integra architecture does not present "patches" to SONAR, but "sets" which contain multiple programs.
 
Anyway, as I am working on my SONAR songs, the Integra-7 is something of a boat anchor, since I can't use it in any songs as it is.
 

Hi David,
 
I'm following your thread closely, but can't (yet) contribute much ... but I wanted to say you're not alone out there ;-)
 
I only recently got myself an INTEGRA, mainly to have a sound workhorse that I could take along for live performances (as I wouldn't want to use VSTs live) ... I had initially not considered it due to its lack of integration with PC DAWs, but liked the sounds ... now there are new projects and more live shows ... and Roland meanwhile released the VST plugin ... so I jumped onboard ... and, boy, I like the sounds, but I hate the slow, bloated VST GUI !!
 
due to loads of work and little time to test the new gear, I have only created myself a 16 track template for Sonar and have it sitting (temporarily) right next to the mix desk so I can edit directly on the INTEGRA ... not a good solution but faster than the VST GUI ... anyway, I basically need to do exactly waht you are doing ...
 
Please, keep documenting your struggle here ... I hope I can catch up next week and try a few things myself ...
 
All the best
 
Rob

First, have you set (on the Integra) Menu, System, USB Driver = VENDER ?
 

riojazz
First, have you set (on the Integra) Menu, System, USB Driver = VENDER ?
 

 
YES
 
The Integra-7 does respond to Patch changes, except that it changes "sets", not "patches" or "programs" as do other synths.
 

So there is no way to store particular sounds to a User bank and then have Sonar change patches in the User bank?
Anyway, for me, having 16 available at any one time is fine, but the OP has different requirements.
 
Don't do what I did though:  I sold my Integra - then I just repurchased one, because it was missed too much!

Here is the INS for the Integra-7:
 
http://roland.com/support/article/?q=downloads&p=INTEGRA-7&id=62481992
 
Actually, there are several:
 

• INTEGRA-7_DrumKit+GM2.ins   for INTEGRA-7 Drum Kit
• INTEGRA-7_StudioSet.ins   for INTEGRA-7 Studio Set
• INTEGRA-7_Tone+GM2.ins   for INTEGRA-7 Tone List

 

So you're using the Tone List ins, I guess? Or at least it seems to me that you should.

Glad to hear you're making progress. I would suggest studying up a little on the midi implementation guide. It seems pretty clearly organized in banks. You can send all these messages (bank MSB/LSB) directly from a midi track, if you have the voice name list close it would be almost as easy as the ins file.

DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
Well, I tried replacing the Instrument Definition  from Studio Set to Tone List, as suggested above, and individual patches now appear in SONAR to some degree.
 

I had a look at this myself today. Using the Tone List (the Studio Set list seems pretty useless) I get all patches in the selection list and can also use the left mouse button patch search (click with left mouse button on patch selection list in Sonars MIDI channel) on Integra-7 sounds ... pretty cool ...  at first, I got a little confused because it also has the user presets in the Tone List and if you did not create some user presets first you end up loading empty tones/patches ...
 
The Roland VST editor is a piece of crap, however. Totally counter-intuitive. Mouse only. No ACT mappings, ...
 
The other available editor, which is not a VST and only works as standalone windows program, seems to be better ... at least more intuitive, with mouse wheel functionality, etc.
 
 
 
 

So, I am kind of getting by using the Integra-7 with Sonar Platinum, but I have not yet been able to integrate the Supernatural sounds into the Tone List, mostly due to time limitations, I have not yet set aside the time to figure this whole thing out.
 
 

OK, I kind of have a fix, after a couple of days of research.
 
Step One: Make sure you know the Global channel for the Integra. The default is channel 16, but you need to go into the System submenu to find out, that requires hitting "Menu", "System", "Midi" and then you can see the Studio Set Control Channel, which should be 16.
 
Step Two: Create a new Midi track in your sequence labeled something like "Integra Control Channel", assign it to your Integra, and then make sure that channel 16 is selected. If you do choose a control channel, make sure that you write the change to memory by hitting "Write" and "Edit" at the same time from the System submenu.
 
Step Three: You need to create three events, starting at 1:01:001 of your sequence, and separated in time by 1 beat:
 
Control event, Controller number 0, Value 85
Control event, Controller number 32, Value 0
Patch change event, type "normal", Value between 1 and 16.
 
The value you choose for the patch change will call up one of 16 Studio Sets.
 
Step Four: Edit your choice of Studio Set so that the instruments and their assigned Midi channel work for you. For example, Studio Set 6 is Rock Band, and I modified the second part so that the Midi channel is 2 and the part type is Bass (I always use Channel 2 for bass). Make sure that you write the changes to memory when you are done. Then, make sure that your bass instrument in your sequence is using Channel 2 and that it is assigned to the Integra.
 
You should be able to copy the Track containing the Integra Control Channel Studio Set settings on Channel 16 to other Midi sequences.
 
One issue is that using this approach individual volume and patch settings for the instruments in the Studio set don't work from the console, so you may have to set your volume using the dreaded controller 7 in the Event View screen.