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2009/10/27 15:13:49 (permalink)

Using the stereo spectrum

Okay it's kind of odd how this issue came up... at my work computer I listen to iTunes during the day. Well, my right speaker went out so I'm just hearing the left speaker. With a few exceptions, most modern (last 10 years or so) recordings still sound good and not much different than the stereo version.
 
However, on my home recordings it seems more obvious that I'm only hearing "half the story".
 
I'm not sure if it's just because I'm more familiar with how my own songs are "supposed" to sound? Or if modern recordings have less separation in the stereo spectrum? But it now has me questioning whether I'm spreading things out too far in my own recordings??
 
It's not uncommon that I will take a rhythm guitar part, for example, and pan it 40-50% to the right and a piano part that's 40-50% to the left.  As a general rule, for "fundamental" instruments, is this spread out too far???
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 16:25:58 (permalink)
    Hey that's a really interesting observation. I'll have to test it on some of my newer cds vs. the old ones.

    My gut tells me you're right; in the old days they used (abused?) stereo shamelessly. Think of all the jimi hendrix tunes with drums & bass completely in the left ear and guitar & vocals completely in the right. I doubt anyone would try that today.

    I remember one of the early Paul McCartney albums had a cool sketch of how the instruments were panned for each song. It was pretty extreme.

    Nowadays, sure, mixes sound wide. But is the stereo image "distinct"? If not, is it because there's some advantage to keeping L & R similar?

    I tend to go with the old school of panning; I like to go extreme because it adds character. I don't think 50% is too wide at all (as long as there's something balancing it in the other ear, like you said).

    On a tangent... when yall apply stereo compression to the master, do you always link the L & R sides? Or are there some cases where you want the channels to be independent?

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 16:40:57 (permalink)

       You bring up a very good point. To me it seems that the
    subject of "stereo" would benefit by breaking it down into
    "panning" and "imaging". And then even further down into
    "how much?". Then there is even more "types" of creating
    a stereo image. delay, phase, and Eq to name a few are
    different ways of "stereoizing"

      I can only speak from my thoughts about the stereo
    subject because we all have different preferences. With
    that said here are my views. If you loose anything by
    dropping "one side" (by that I mean if your ears tell you
    it don't sound good without both sides) then there is a
    problem in panning or imaging.

       Sometimes the "stereo" subject gets carried to far.
    If the songs "greatness" "depends" on a stereo sound
    then again something is wrong. There are times when
    things get panned because they don't "fit" in the mix.
    So instead of "tweaking the sound" (which can be
    hard to accomplish)  it gets moved instead.

      In "pro" music (modern that is) it appears that if there
    (is) a hard panned instrument then it is barely audible.
    An instrument that is vital should not be panned by much.
    To my ears if there is a huge amount of a stereo image
    in a song it sounds synthetic.

       If you "convert" or playback a tune in mono that has
    a stereo image and it sounds "phasey" or you loose
    "instruments" then again there is a problem. I've met
    one record producer who had only one speaker hooked
    up in his office. He would base his evaluation on a
    song by playing only half of the mix.

      In the past I've "relied" on some type of "stereozing"
    (most times it was way too much) in my songs to
    lead me to "perceive" my mix sounded good. But I
    was lying to myself because as time went on I
    realized i was depending on that instead of it being
    "sweetening".

       Today I generally keep all the instruments in the
    middle. Then I look for ways to "widen up" things.
    It can be very difficult to say if panning is good
    or bad because it's so dependent and on the
    song and taste or desired outcome.

      Through time I've found myself trying to not pan
    rhythm instruments or percussion by much. If my
    ears hear a "little bit" of a stereo sound be it
    panning or imaging then I enjoy it. If the "sound"
    is very "extreme" in the stereo image then it sounds
    unnatural.

      Of course I'm speaking of "songs". Movie's and such
    would be a different story. To get technical there may
    be no such thing as mono (for a person with normal
    hearing) because the environment and the ears
    "already" create some amount of a stereo image.

      If my ears when listening to a tune say "there sure
    is a lot of panning" it distracts me. If the song sounds
    like there is a left/right and "middle" image but all
    are equal in perception then it sounds very pleasant.

      It is difficult to very specific about sound sometimes
    because of the complexity of it. So I hope I don't
    sound vague. What I can say is that I look at "quality"
    of sound first and more important than "imaging".
    it's like saying "quality of sound" is a necessity and
    "imaging" is a luxury.  
     

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 17:03:41 (permalink)
    I think there is definitely a trend to not apply much pannning in modern mixes.  One possible reason for this is, have you ever seen 2 people listening to separate earbuds from the same ipod?  If the mix was widely panned, they'd be hearing entirely different things.

    Personally, I like interesting panning.  Take a listen to side two of Abbey Road and you;ll hear some great and interesting panning that doesn't interfere or distract from the overall mix at all.  Instead, it enhaces it.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 17:22:19 (permalink)
    listen to early todd rundgren.
    now THAT's a lesson in stereo spread.


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 17:23:43 (permalink)
    ultimately, it's all about balance.

    and to get good balance, you have to get good at arrangements.

    arrangements, should almost be more important than performance.

    with great arrangements, you can hard pan everything, and you still wont feel lop-sided.



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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 19:47:51 (permalink)
    It's not uncommon that I will take a rhythm guitar part, for example, and pan it 40-50% to the right and a piano part that's 40-50% to the left. As a general rule, for "fundamental" instruments, is this spread out too far???

    Actually, by current trends that's considered a little timid. Hard-panning has come back into vogue. Many top-tier mixers use the LCR (left-center-right) method. Read some of the articles Dave Moulton has written on stereo perception, they are very interesting.


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/27 20:41:17 (permalink)
    I think in the late '60's - mid 70's there was a lot of experimentation with creative use of stereo - with not just fixed panning, but movement around the stereo field. Listening with headphones you'd hear all sorts of interesting stuff.

    Then I think there was a movement against it - no more of that "gimmicky" stereo stuff. And guitars and and the then new polyphonic synths got BIG sounding, so there was less room for stuff to move around the stereo field.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 00:30:23 (permalink)
    Jimmyman, I am surprised to say this, but I really have to disagree with your thoughts this time. Considering all of the things you have commented on, and the thought provoking insights and opinions you have, I feel you missed the bus with this one. For instance,

    ..."Sometimes the "stereo" subject gets carried to far. If the songs "greatness" "depends" on a stereo sound then again something is wrong." 

    I have always thought that the stereo panning and widening are a another tool for the artist to exploit. I suppose you could reach a "too much" point, anything can be abused, but creative use of this tool should be encouraged. After all, the major complaint I have heard from "old heads" like myself is that the music today is lifeless in its digital perfectness, no one seems to want to step out of the box, everything is built on a frame that has notches worn in where the instruments always sit, the kick and bass are always centered, one guitar over here, the other over there, the lead singer straight down the middle, blah, blah, blah...

    ..."An instrument that is vital should not be panned by much."...

    Funny, I never saw that rule written anywhere. Why not have an instrument that is critical to the art that is being created in the song and mix slightly hidden and off to the side, so that the discerning ear has to actually concentrate, strain to hear the point/counterpoint/movement? Move it to the other side, raise the volume by degrees, catch the attention of the listener, and then slide it to the middle and drop the volume, with a touch of delay that does not match the bpm of the song?

    ...."it's like saying "quality of sound" is a necessity and
    "imaging" is a luxury."....

    Both are tools, the song is a piece of art that should express the desires and/or intensions of the artist.

    Of course, in this day of maximized volume, cookie cutter structure molded music, necessary to keep the interest of the mp3, ipod, earbud, $0.69 128kps download crowd, we have to recognize the limitations of the audience. But I thought you stood above such conventions....

    I should add that this is all in the desire to continue a healthy discussion, not meant to start an argument. But, I think we have communicated enough times that you will take this all in the intended light.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 00:54:34 (permalink)
    One possible reason for this is, have you ever seen 2 people listening to separate earbuds from the same ipod? If the mix was widely panned, they'd be hearing entirely different things.

    My grandkids do that all the time. In a way, it's good because that way they're not totally tuned out of reality. If they had both earbuds plugged in they'd be living in a constant netherworld because that damn ipod is ALWAYS present.

    Nevertheless, I chide them regularly, telling them they're only hearing half the song. However, I suspect they're only really listening to the lead vocal, which is always panned dead center.

    So one day I pulled the earbuds out of my 15-year-old granddaughter's iPod and plugged in my best headphones in their place. You should have seen her eyes go wide! Poor kid just had no idea what she was missing.


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 08:08:46 (permalink)

       Albert.

         You disagree with some things I speak about. It may seem
    that I lean toward mono/cookie cutter but in fact I try to
    discuss how the normal person perceives. I don't recall in
    my entire lifetime hearing a "non musician" speak of "panning"
    To them it is "stereo" and they know things come from one side
    or the other but they for the most part "just listen"

      Back in the day when I listened to "Jimi Hendrix"  in the car
    I was "in the middle". Left side music "me in the middle" and
    right side music. When I got home and put on an album
    and listened to "machine gun" by Hendrix I was laid back
    and farther away from the "sound source".
     
       At that point it was just "digging" the sound. Whether
    the panning had an effect on my perception I don't know?
    Maybe it did. I certainly would say there are not absolutes
    in panning or imaging. I would hope that I am perceived
    as a person who enjoys discussion on topics.

      I read your remarks in the forums and I am so glad
    to be able to have people like you here to share
    info and very useful insights. 
     


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 09:04:20 (permalink)
    Spaceduck - yeah it seems like there was a lot more experimenting with the stereo spectrum in old recordings (Beatles, Hendrix, etc). Sometimes it works really well and sometimes it sort of sounds gimmicky or unnatural.  But it sounds like my philosophy is a lot like yours. And in response to your question, personally I always link L/R on the master bus compression.
     
    Jimmy - thanks for your very thorough and thoughtful reply. What I'm going for is a natural sound - like you would hear if you were standing in front of the band. Or maybe in the middle of the band. Not "experimental" stuff (usually...).

    Dave - yeah I have noticed a lot of the hip hop and pop stuff has things hard panned, but they seem to be more embellishment-type sounds. I'll take a look at that article - thanks for posting the link...

    Albert - thanks for your comments, too. I know like with a lot of things panning is a creative choice and there's not a right or wrong way. A lot of times though you hear/read the comments about comparing your own mixes to professional ones to make sure you're not "fooling yourself". This seemed to be one area where my mixes seemed different than some other things I was hearing but I guess if it sounds good to me (and no one has ever pointed that out as a problem in my recordings when I've posted them on the Songs forum...) I'll just go with it!

    On my way home last night, I went ahead and put my car stereo all the way to the right speakers and listened to the classic rock station. Most of the songs didn't sound good. That made me feel better...

    Thanks again everyone...


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 09:07:29 (permalink)
    Thanks also batsbrew and drew - good to have your perspectives too!

    Yeah, Dave (King) - my daughter and her friends will share iPod earbuds in the backseat of the car. Drives me crazy!!
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 10:42:49 (permalink)
    We used to share condoms back in the day....but sharing ear-buds?

    That's just GROSS!

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 12:17:00 (permalink)
    Here is what I do:  for a great sounding acoustic gtr background; record the instrument 2 times.  Once in the L track and then again on the R trk.  It gives a deeper warmth and because it is 2 different takes, the phase difference gives it tremendous stereo separation. Pan the same as you described above.
      You can do this for any instruments.
    I love stereo, you are right about too much though.  There is a point of diminishing returns.
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 13:05:11 (permalink)
    a decade ago I spent a few years working at a place that had a 1-working/1-dead stereo system that was constantly on.
    I still get surprised now when I hear some of those mid/late-90s songs and hear instruments and melodies that I never knew existed in somewhat-familiar songs.

    I pan my own music fairly widely, and get annoyed by the kids sharing earbuds.  I'd be torn if they were listening to my stuff, but they'd probably hate it anyway. 

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 13:06:19 (permalink)
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    We used to share condoms back in the day....but sharing ear-buds?

    That's just GROSS!


    Ah, you learned that 'inside-out' trick too, huh?  It keeps the fatherhood accusations to a minimum as well...

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 13:16:02 (permalink)
    i hard pan all the time.

    but i always do it with something else balancing the other side.

    a trick to balancing a mono hard-right panned track-
    is to apply a nice reverb with about a 40 ms predelay, and pan the reverb to the opposite side.
    bring it up, til it fills out the sound.


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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 15:49:57 (permalink)
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    i hard pan all the time.

    but i always do it with something else balancing the other side.

    a trick to balancing a mono hard-right panned track-
    is to apply a nice reverb with about a 40 ms predelay, and pan the reverb to the opposite side.
    bring it up, til it fills out the sound.

    Absofreakinglutely!
     
    I use that technique often as well.  In fact, here's a song where I did it with the short solo after the first chorus.  Panned the track hard right and dropped a reverb with a hot, delayed, early reflection into the left side.  It's not overwhelming.  Just enough to pull the ear back toward the center a bit.  Adds a little space and distance to the solo part.
     
    http://www.darwinsgod.com/music/in_loving_memory.mp3
     
    In fact, I very rarely have any tracks panned anywhere but hard Left, hard Right, or dead Center.  I will play with reverb and delay returns in different parts of the stereo field...but rarely with the actual track.
     
    For instance:
    OH's hard left and right
    Acoustic - doubled, split hard left and right
    Electric rythm parts - doubled and split hard left and right
    Background vocals (if doubled) split hard left and right.
    Keyboard parts - split hard left and right.
     
    It keeps the stereo image as wide as possible while leaving room for the things that are supposed to be up the middle.  Kick.  Snare.  Vocals.  Solo.
     
    I always mix with the assumption that people will be listening in stereo.  Because 99.999 percent are.  Those that aren't are probably on their way to the store to fix the problem.
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 16:35:17 (permalink)
    Panning is simply a tool. Free to use as one desires for the mixing task at hand. (and after working with you, I believe you already know about panning and simply want to hear what others may think. Not that they have some cool rule book with the correct answers)

    Terms pertaining to stereo exist only for people to relate their preferences, not for determining what is correct or incorrect.

    Panning can help defining instrument definition. So no "one" setting is going to work for everything.

    So Dave to answer your question, "As a general rule, for "fundamental" instruments, is this spread out too far???" - I can't. I've never heard of a "general rule book". And personally if one existed I'd have absolutely no use for it. I would think the release of the new stereo Beatles recordings probably blew everybody out of the saddle that believed in "panning rules". But heck, who are those guys that re-mixed the Beatles catalog and what do they know? 

    If your question is asked in reference to the "modern sound" I can't help but wonder what the heck is the "modern sound" and where's the rule book for that? 

    So Dave my answer is, you're the panning rule maker and when it sounds right to you, ya gotta good rule. 

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 17:16:51 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the responses. I've been pretty happy with my use of panning,  I guess I'm just sort of second guessing myself. Listening to random songs on iTunes (with my one speaker...) and everything sounds fine until my song comes and it doesn't sound good, makes we wonder if I'm doing something "wrong"!!  But like I said, driving home last night listening to the classic rock station with just the Right speakers made me feel better, because most of those songs didn't sound great either!
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 20:07:46 (permalink)
    I think in the long run people like music that plays with the whole stereo field.
    A lot of great rock has a call and response type of left - right panning that is addictive to listen to.
    Good panning is an art.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 20:20:42 (permalink)
    I would think the release of the new stereo Beatles recordings probably blew everybody out of the saddle that believed in "panning rules". But heck, who are those guys that re-mixed the Beatles catalog and what do they know?

     
    ..not to nitpick, but the new Beatles releases were re-mastered, not re-mixed.  They left the mixes alone.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 21:06:49 (permalink)
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    I would think the release of the new stereo Beatles recordings probably blew everybody out of the saddle that believed in "panning rules". But heck, who are those guys that re-mixed the Beatles catalog and what do they know?

     
    ..not to nitpick, but the new Beatles releases were re-mastered, not re-mixed.  They left the mixes alone.


    Dave,  in the October issue of Sound on Sound has a great article about the Beatles release and the people behind it.  They do talk about how they remixed and remastered the songs.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/28 21:10:33 (permalink)
    Dave, in the October issue of Sound on Sound has a great article about the Beatles release and the people behind it. They do talk about how they remixed and remastered the songs.

     
    Yup.  I saw that.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/29 00:31:39 (permalink)
    When stereo got introduced they really didn't know what to do with 2 speakers.  Think 5.1 - if it caught on and how people don't really know what to do surround and "realistic music." What are you going to do, put the listener in the middle of the stage?  One reason it has caught on w/ film is that it is easier for the artist and audience to conceptualize the sound field - unlike music.

    But when stereo came out, the engineers/producers didn't know what to do w/ it and also, for the most part, didn't have the tools to use it.  A lot of early consoles only had LCR controls.  Also, overdubbing w/ 4 or even 8 tracks locked a lot of stuff into one spot (with all the other sounds on that track).  So you get drums in one side, vocals in the other, etc., etc.  Cream's "Sunshine of your love" is one of my favs.  It is funny to think of it, but the idea of a band placed playing in front of the listener took some time to devlelop, while playing w/ the stereo field came out as soon as pan knobs became available (see Led Zep's "Whole lotta love").

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/29 01:01:26 (permalink)
    Jimmyman,

    I was pretty confident that you were one of those people who can read conflicting/contrasting views and not get bent out of shape, but I felt the need to throw in the "disclaimer", just in case.

    From my old drafting years, when you sent in a drawing and it came back with red lines all over it, change this, move that, too big, too small. You had to learn quickly that red lines were not a personal attack, they were the engineer doing his job.

    It is good to be able to discuss the vast number of subjects that come up in these forums and not worry about crossing someone, even if you strongly disagree or hold an opposing viewpoint.

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/29 01:23:16 (permalink)
    jimmyman
       You bring up a very good point. To me it seems that the
    subject of "stereo" would benefit by breaking it down into
    "panning" and "imaging". And then even further down into
    "how much?". Then there is even more "types" of creating
    a stereo image. delay, phase, and Eq to name a few are
    different ways of "stereoizing"

    I can only speak from my thoughts about the stereo
    subject because we all have different preferences. With
    that said here are my views. If you loose anything by
    dropping "one side" (by that I mean if your ears tell you
    it don't sound good without both sides) then there is a
    problem in panning or imaging.

      Sometimes the "stereo" subject gets carried to far.
    If the songs "greatness" "depends" on a stereo sound
    then again something is wrong. There are times when
    things get panned because they don't "fit" in the mix.
    So instead of "tweaking the sound" (which can be
    hard to accomplish)  it gets moved instead.

    In "pro" music (modern that is) it appears that if there
    (is) a hard panned instrument then it is barely audible.
    An instrument that is vital should not be panned by much.
    To my ears if there is a huge amount of a stereo image
    in a song it sounds synthetic.

      If you "convert" or playback a tune in mono that has
    a stereo image and it sounds "phasey" or you loose
    "instruments" then again there is a problem. I've met
    one record producer who had only one speaker hooked
    up in his office. He would base his evaluation on a
    song by playing only half of the mix.

    In the past I've "relied" on some type of "stereozing"
    (most times it was way too much) in my songs to
    lead me to "perceive" my mix sounded good. But I
    was lying to myself because as time went on I
    realized i was depending on that instead of it being
    "sweetening".

      Today I generally keep all the instruments in the
    middle. Then I look for ways to "widen up" things.
    It can be very difficult to say if panning is good
    or bad because it's so dependent and on the
    song and taste or desired outcome.

    Through time I've found myself trying to not pan
    rhythm instruments or percussion by much. If my
    ears hear a "little bit" of a stereo sound be it
    panning or imaging then I enjoy it. If the "sound"
    is very "extreme" in the stereo image then it sounds
    unnatural.

    Of course I'm speaking of "songs". Movie's and such
    would be a different story. To get technical there may
    be no such thing as mono (for a person with normal
    hearing) because the environment and the ears
    "already" create some amount of a stereo image.

    If my ears when listening to a tune say "there sure
    is a lot of panning" it distracts me. If the song sounds
    like there is a left/right and "middle" image but all
    are equal in perception then it sounds very pleasant.

    It is difficult to very specific about sound sometimes
    because of the complexity of it. So I hope I don't
    sound vague. What I can say is that I look at "quality"
    of sound first and more important than "imaging".
    it's like saying "quality of sound" is a necessity and
    "imaging" is a luxury.  
    I quoted this because, amidst numerous conflicting views here, this Jimmy's argument is irresistable to me ... synthetic music vs. vibrant organic music is like hypocrisy vs. truth.
     
    Methinks, Haas effects, out-of-speaker-trick(s), lopsided-Picasso-like assymetries, and a whole lot of other expressionistic junk ... really doesn't please the heart nor conscience of 90% of listeners, especially women, babes, country folk, simpletons, and the sincerer X-tian folks.  JMO.
     
    This explains why some of my own lavish panning has had detrimental effects.  I should probably focus more on arrangement, groove, EQ, compression, reverb, and other parameters to enhance things.
     
    Methinks, I should start from the center and widen outwardly with instruments in a more 10:00 to 2:00 fashion ... and widen them in the busses (with ozone or channel tools).  (I'm curious where Jimmy widens things)
     
    At my humble level, Panning is a great cheat for avoiding phase issues ... a salvage (not a perfect fix) for comb-filtering, crowded mixes, and my arrangement flaws (as per Batsbrew, and others)
     
    ... but, for my egotistical ears, I wouldn't trade Spaceduck's or Yesjudicious and fully loaded vox-Haas effects for anything (their widened voxes during the song's choruses are very beautiful and dramatic) 
     
    ... But Jimmy's hearty and traditional vox delivery, more centrally panned, will never phase-out nor distort (comb-filtering and/or summation) on multi-platforms like mono-TV, radio, mono-speakers, etc.
     
    Cross mono listening is something I must focus more on ... even daily.
     
    In sum: Panning seems (to me) a beautiful but limited art ... again the panning-art does not appeal much to pop-audiences.  It may perhaps appeal more to devout audiophiles (like me).
    post edited by Philip - 2009/10/29 01:37:47

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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/29 13:55:16 (permalink)
    I wonder what the influence of portable listening devices has been on panning. Certainly a much larger share of the audience is listening through ear-buds than there was a decade or so ago. This probably exaggerates the listener's perspective on panning. (This has caused me some frustrating experiences with bands that evaluate my mixes on ear buds, often insisting on eq and dynamic changes that have tragic consequences to the mix.)

    Conversely, looking at the separation limitations of FM radio, and the non-optimum placement of speakers in cars (or other listening environments) many listener's are exposed to music in a quasi-mono fashion on a daily basis.
    I often encounter long sessions of waiting in a store for one of the female members of the household to shop for clothes. I find myself leaning on a clothes rack and hearing one half of a stereo mix coming out of a ceiling speaker (wth the other channel quitetly playing 30 feet away). I'm often surprised the way a familiar song sounds like in this environment. It can be revealing about the way the mix was done.
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    Re:Using the stereo spectrum 2009/10/29 14:36:34 (permalink)
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    I wonder what the influence of portable listening devices has been on panning. Certainly a much larger share of the audience is listening through ear-buds than there was a decade or so ago. This probably exaggerates the listener's perspective on panning. (This has caused me some frustrating experiences with bands that evaluate my mixes on ear buds, often insisting on eq and dynamic changes that have tragic consequences to the mix.) 
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    I'd sell all my stuff if I had to go through that.  I mean...I get the oddball idiotic change here and there.  But that's....just....wow....


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