VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel

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2011/10/01 13:53:16 (permalink)

VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel

Hey all,

For anyone in the know of VCC, I've read the SOS review and they mention it should be inserted in the first FX slot of each channel.  If your using Pro channel also, then how do you make sure that VCC is doing its thing first.


 
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    bapu
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/01 13:57:49 (permalink)
    Better ask Mic McQ this question.
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/01 14:45:15 (permalink)
    moffdnb


    Hey all,

    For anyone in the know of VCC, I've read the SOS review and they mention it should be inserted in the first FX slot of each channel.  If your using Pro channel also, then how do you make sure that VCC is doing its thing first.





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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/01 15:59:31 (permalink)
    simples!  ;>
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/01 22:27:59 (permalink)
    Dear Moffdnb, I'd  love to hear a mix with and without the slate virtual console.

    Thank you,

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 08:32:23 (permalink)
    @ rosefam:


    Google it.  There are many file comparisons out there allready.  I havent bought it yet as it needs an ilok but I will when I have enough tracks going to mixing stage.
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 08:37:23 (permalink)
    You can download the example mixes from SOS - its subtle, but its audible..  Not sure if you need to be a subscriber, but here's the link: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct11/articles/vccmedia.htm 

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 13:30:13 (permalink)
    So I'm just A/Bing those now, and the effect is extremely subtle, to my ears. I think the idea is very interesting, but I've got to confess, I can't really hear it doing anything that remarkable.

    In the SOS review, they say as much, but they also say it seems to make the mixing process seem a bit easier and quicker. They also point out that there was a rare amount of consensus in their office about it, with pretty much everyone becoming a convert after using it.

    Anyone who's used it got a view on that?



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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 16:42:43 (permalink)
    John T


     to confess, I can't really hear it doing anything that remarkable.  

     

    and an iLok2 is required...

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 17:11:40 (permalink)
    I use it on every mix and "emperors new clothes or not" I like it quite a bit.  Of course, I tend to abuse the "drive" knob so that might account for it. 

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 17:56:03 (permalink)
    What do you make of the suggestion in SOS that it makes getting a balanced mix easier? They made the point quite strongly that they didn't think slapping it on existing mixes added much value, but that it eased the mixing process. I'm quite interested in that.

    I suppose I should try the demo, but I don't have an iLok, and I don't really fancy buying one just to try out demos of things.

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/02 23:09:01 (permalink)
    Well...this might sound crazy but the modeled crosstalk adds a bit of (no I'm not kidding) desireable hiss and noise...more so when you crank the drive.  But this is just they way analogue consoles behave when pushed in my experience.  Plus, there is a definite  "smoothing" effect...especially on the API setting.  That said I think anyone could easily live without it.  I mean, why are we all so hellbent on recreating old hissy analogue sounds??  I guess because they sound good.  Or do they??

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/03 04:45:54 (permalink)
    Thing is, my experience is that alot of the sought-after gear and effects ARE very subtle in their differences, and it's more of a sum of all the parts (tracks? :O) ) that seem to do the thing. You read these interviews with some big producers and they get into this high-end AD converter over that high-end AD - jeez, anyone ever did THAT comparison? You're talking splitting hairs..

    But when you get rid of all obvious problems such as bad cables, cheap mics etc etc, I suppose the next level is to address all the details.. A friend of mine mixed some stuff at British Grove (Mark Knopfler's place) with Mick Glossop about three years ago. At that time, they were throwing out their old ADC's in favour of Prism (not the cheapie Orpheus either) - at a HUGE expense. Does anyone else care, or hear the difference, or pay more because of it? It becomes an academic game for the geeks, in my opinion. And bless the geeks - they are the technical pioneers.

    But anyone can hear a good song over a bad one :O)

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/03 18:28:16 (permalink)
    OK, I just did a comparison on one of my own mixes - 47 tracks and 8 busses. I randomly chose the Trident model and pushed the drive up to about 3 O Clock. Bounced them both and put the two files next to each other. All I can say is VCC has officially blown me away. The results are far more obvious and pleasing than the Sound On Sound demo.

    I called my wife in and said "which one do you prefer"?, not telling her whiich is which. She chose the VCC mix hands down, citing, Her comments: "it's much friendlier and more pleasant to listen to... And it seems bigger, but not louder."

    Nuff said. I'm sold.

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/03 20:09:16 (permalink)
    There is another one out there called Sonimus Satson.  Way cheaper but even more subtle...
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2011/10/03 21:12:38 (permalink)
    LJB


    OK, I just did a comparison on one of my own mixes - 47 tracks and 8 busses. I randomly chose the Trident model and pushed the drive up to about 3 O Clock. Bounced them both and put the two files next to each other. All I can say is VCC has officially blown me away. The results are far more obvious and pleasing than the Sound On Sound demo.

    I called my wife in and said "which one do you prefer"?, not telling her whiich is which. She chose the VCC mix hands down, citing, Her comments: "it's much friendlier and more pleasant to listen to... And it seems bigger, but not louder."

    Nuff said. I'm sold.


    Glad you got it to work. The Trident is my personal fav too.

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/19 14:10:12 (permalink)
    I bought and put on an existing mix. Same deal, 3db push on all channels and I could hear an audible difference. It sounded better but I must tell you I don't care why. I must mention that there is a bug for labeling VCC in X2 and Slate Digital knows about it. You have copy and paste the names in. The keyboard is useless.
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/19 14:28:15 (permalink)
    Just curious: have you compared it to the Console Emulator that's included in Sonar?
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/19 16:22:11 (permalink)
    FamousPatrick ^^
    I was wondering the same thing!



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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/20 04:18:45 (permalink)
    VCC has the oversampling feature which makes all the difference. It feels more refined to me (sonically), BUT, it's buggy as hell inside X2. It tends to crash the project if you don't open it in the "busses" view of the track window BEFORE clicking anywhere on the console view, esp the busses. If you get what I'm saying. But I still prefer VCC, even though it has this problem in X2.

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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/20 18:13:42 (permalink)
    I'm trying it out here after having used it in other DAWs. I'll report back.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re:VCC (Slate digital) and ProChannel 2013/05/21 10:21:17 (permalink)
    OK, all you Bums.    All this talk about the Slate VCC pushed me over the edge and I bought it since the price is so attractive.

    After an hour of boxing with the iLok.com website, I finally came to the realization that any web browser other than Internet Explorer is a waste of time when trying to authorize a piece of software to run with the iLok.  

    So basically what I've done in the past year is to duplicate just about everything SONAR has to offer in the ProChannel line with 3rd party VSTs that I can use in any of my three DAW programs.  Cakewalk could very well had the sale if they would simply release them in VST. 

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