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2015/12/12 10:08:29 (permalink)

VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening

Tried using vocal sync this morning, after selecting region and guide, and selecting play, I was exposed to > 100dB blast of high pitched noise, with main fader almost off, I couldn't stop without shutting off my audio interface. Which also happened when I somewhat dumbly tried it again.
Anyone know what's up with that? (sorry, I couldn't hear you, could you repeat that, lol)
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/12 10:50:16 (permalink)
Does the waveform look highly distorted, i.e., hitting max level for extended periods of time? We need to narrow down what's producing the noise. Also this is a long shot, but try increasing latency temporarily.
 
Finally, did you call up the region whlie SONAR was playing? I noticed that SONAR doesn't like to do DSP while playing in some cases, for example, normalizing a lengthy section of audio without the transport being stopped.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/12 11:12:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2016/11/20 01:23:45
Grab this free utility and slap it at the end of the signal chain on every project/template you create.
 
http://www.cerberusaudio.com/Software/Products/Ice9/

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/12 12:16:13 (permalink)
Have you installed the Update 1 quickfix for Kingston? There was a problem with the 64-bit Double Precision Engine that was causing issues like that. Even if you have the update already, you might try disabling DPE in preferences.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/12 18:07:30 (permalink)
I also experienced this during my first attempt to use Vocal Sync.  Haven't revisited Vocal Sync since.
 
See:  http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx#3311606
 
post edited by davec69 - 2015/12/12 18:20:53

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 09:19:25 (permalink)
After going against my nature, and reading vocal sync manual sections, I may not have been using or able to use as intended, also noticed the noise filter selection. I was thinking to synchronize more precisely somewhat different vocal sections, being some harmonized, do-wah, do-wah, do-wah's, with some guide,  lah, Lah, LAh, LAH's,
So I guess there's some restrictions there being, there not basically the same vocal lyric parts, there's some silence between both the do-wahs, and he lah's, 
I guess if need be Id have to do this manually, moving with snap off, or possible using audio snap in someway, or accept them as recorded.
So maybe this could be a warning to others, to read the manual first, or risk exposure to excessively loud screeching sound levels, LOL.
 
    
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 10:56:49 (permalink)
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... or risk exposure to excessively loud screeching sound levels, LOL.


Well, again, there's no reason ever to have to risk your hearing in this way.  Do yourself a huge favor and grab the free Ice 9 Automute utility from Cerberus Audio (Link provided earlier).  

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 11:57:37 (permalink)
Same thing happened to me. I posted here about it. Noel was kind enough to check my file, and couldn't reproduce it.
 
For now, I don't think much about using Vocal Sync.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 13:47:20 (permalink)
Ok thanks all, and Ill try that ICE9 utility, had I been listening through my 15" monitors I may have blown my brains out. lol
 
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 18:38:35 (permalink)
this is ... actually... kinda funny... 

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 22:07:33 (permalink)
Somewhat funny, neighbours may have been running to their emergency shelters, at least it didn't invoke any subsonic bowel stimulations, LOL,  
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 22:11:23 (permalink)
FYI, I've had no trouble with Vocal Sync since the the UI tweaks and Manual Clarifications that arrived in the second or third Platinum Monthly Update.
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/13 23:23:29 (permalink)
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FYI, I've had no trouble with Vocal Sync since the the UI tweaks and Manual Clarifications that arrived in the second or third Platinum Monthly Update.


Same here... vocal sync is really helpful, awesome and trouble free over here... as I vamp vocals all the time it really comes in handy and one of the many additions  I love...
 
These random occurrences have got  to be very frustrating for both users and bakers.  Is it reproducible?  

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2015/12/14 08:46:34 (permalink)
I'm not knocking it at all, I've also used it successfully before, just learning its use, limitations, and consequences of going outside the box  (the hard way I guess :), and the value of reading help files first, I definitely learned my lesson, LOL, and was perhaps using it an unconventional way. If trying to reproduce Id suggest wearing hearing protection, or turn powered monitors or headphones way down. I guess the main issue is this seemed to somehow override manually shutting off audio engine, which I believe was my first reaction, and/or the main fader off first then audio engine icon, lastly I turned off audio interface to stop noise, so it seemed to somehow direct my audio interface to maximum output level, independent from Sonar setting. Noting I was somewhat in panic mode all occurring within a small number of seconds, I didn't wait to see if it subsided eventually.  
It may be also that I'm pushing the limits of my processor on this project as well, and from some of the comments seems you need to really isolate the tracks from any other FX processing while doing this. I've had similar things happening using Nectar 2 as well, it seems to need maximum latency and really hogs processor, but it usually shuts down the audio engine, or I can shut it off manually without resorting to turning off audio interface.
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/06/24 18:39:32 (permalink)
I just tried Vocal Sync for the first time and I got an audio explosion in my head I'll never forget.  It sounded a lot like taking a reverb unit and slamming it on the ground and turning it up to 11.  This is a real problem!

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/06/25 09:43:30 (permalink)
Nice Weimeraner, hope it wasn't deafened also. Having re-experienced this on subsequent attempts I usually now try and align (or misalign) manually using "shift-alt" in clip section to move, but more so if required I use Melodyne Studio, its a bit more meticulous, but precise time, tempo, level and pitch alignment. (if I don't get a good vocal take to start with). 
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/06/26 08:52:19 (permalink)
Anyone have any clue as to what the cause of this is yet?  I haven't experienced it, but this is another of the "bullet items" on the sales sheet that made me make the jump.  I don't generally have an issue with my vocals being tight, but why not get just that little extra?  But I don't want to blow out my speakers or my ears.
 
I understand that there is a plugin to protect from things like this and I suppose that's nice to know, but what is making this have this problem?  Under what combination of circumstances does it happen?  Has it been identified as an actual problem by Cakewalk so it can be fixed?

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/06/26 10:30:39 (permalink)
I thought it was just me, but this is what happened. Generally I have had no luck with any regional effects. It's a shame, I try them once or twice and then give up. V Vocal I think was the only one I ever had working. I always write it off as my computer is just not up to it as it's only an i5.  

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/06/26 10:54:29 (permalink)
I've never had this happen and I use Vocal Sync quite a bit. Can anyone come up with a recipe to reproduce?

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/12 11:10:01 (permalink)
I had the same problem today, and after reading all the above posts, I tried disabling DPE in preferences, as suggested by Brundlefly, that did the trick! So it looks like Cakewalk still have a problem with the DPE. I had already applied all the latest Sonar updates etc.
 
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/12 11:58:04 (permalink)
I had no clue what DPE was.. So I opened Sonar Preferences and after a few minutes found it. But I'm keeping it to myself.. I've never used it having no clue what it would do. Now I see what it does and I think I'll continue not checking it. 

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/12 12:11:06 (permalink)

just a sec

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/12 12:20:17 (permalink)
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I just tried Vocal Sync for the first time and I got an audio explosion in my head I'll never forget.  It sounded a lot like taking a reverb unit and slamming it on the ground and turning it up to 11.  This is a real problem!




I know this is an old post in an old thread and I've mentioned this before (in other threads) but that sound of a "reverb unit being slammed into the ground" can be avoided by disabling all downstream reverb while you work with VocalSync. So if you have reverb on the track turn it off, if a bus being fed by it has reverb disable that, if you are using a dedicated reverb bus (via Sends) disable the reverb send(s) on the tracks you are syncing.
 
What seems to happen is that when VocalSync does its "sonic boom" thing it hits the reverb which then of course sustains the level spike. It's horrific. If no reverb is being fed by the tracks being "synced" then the volume spikes are MUCH shorter and pretty much just sound like crackles. Very LOUD crackles but they are so fast they aren't nearly as traumatizing.
 
At least that was my experience.
 
VS is a cool enough idea but after playing with it I've just decided to manually do any syncing with Audiosnap instead. VS simply doesn't work very well on the type of material I generally produce and the sonic booms are just too obnoxious for me to bother with it.
 
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/13 20:12:33 (permalink)
I had that happen recently as well...the worst part is I had one of those snooty ProTools gurus in the room while it happened. He loves to pontificate on the virtues of PT/Elastic Audio/ Vocalign.
He witnessed that horrific blast and gave me THAT look.....
 
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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/18 03:29:32 (permalink)
I never have had this problem, use it all the time, and have never checked the DPE box.
 
So I checked the DPE box and used VS.  No problems.
 
Is this your scenario?  You have two vocal tracks, A and B.  You use VS to set up a region on B, but you never tell it to reference A, and then hit play?  Is that when the explosion happens?  If yes, I'd think that explainable by VS trying to match up B to the drums, bass, or nothing at all.  When I'm driving and let go of the wheel, I typically crash.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/18 13:33:19 (permalink)
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I never have had this problem, use it all the time, and have never checked the DPE box.
So I checked the DPE box and used VS.  No problems.
Is this your scenario?  You have two vocal tracks, A and B.  You use VS to set up a region on B, but you never tell it to reference A, and then hit play?  Is that when the explosion happens?  If yes, I'd think that explainable by VS trying to match up B to the drums, bass, or nothing at all.  When I'm driving and let go of the wheel, I typically crash.



Can't answer for others, but in my case, no.
I read manuals and watch CW instructional vids before using a feature, so using it as intended.
Seems random, no pattern. Most of the time, it works for me just fine.
 

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/18 14:20:25 (permalink)
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When I'm driving and let go of the wheel, I typically crash.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/18 20:12:37 (permalink)
Add me to that list as well "Never had this happen".
I will see artifacts if I crank up the synch knob to high but like anything else in life... Things tend to get Funky when you juice it too much.

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Re: VOCAL SYNC - Rude Awakening 2016/11/18 21:42:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2016/11/19 08:28:37
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Things tend to get Funky when you juice it too much.



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