VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict?

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2012/10/11 10:15:04 (permalink)

VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict?

X2 release news states that there were some improvements made for VS-700, supposedly documented in the online help but not to be found anywhere ...
 
I'm still on X1d ...
 
So I wonder how many of you did go for X2 already? Especially now that others are thinking about leaving for PT10) ...
 
Is X2 any better with regards to VS-700?
 
 

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    John T
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/11 10:18:17 (permalink)
    No, it's broken a number of things, and we're still waiting for a fix. It's pretty disappointing.

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/12 06:04:34 (permalink)
    Really it is past the waiting game by now surely? We're at XTWO!

    They'll get their wish coz we are already starting to go away.

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/12 11:08:52 (permalink)
    Yup all I know is I've wasted close to 5G's Canadian on a system that does nothing promised. All this after Roland and cakewalk reps up here touted such a great system which would be around for a long time. Then BOOM! the next release and my A$$ is exposed. I'm seeing ppl who don't have the VS system getting responses but when ppl with they system put reports in the majority if not all of them hear nothing. This was probably one of my dumbest moves. I love the system X1 AND PROBABLY x2 are great if all you want to use are a mouse and keyboard.
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/12 19:21:33 (permalink)
    So what works and what doesn't work?

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/13 06:19:26 (permalink)

    There are many reasons why you yourself mix with 8.5 and don't use X1 or X2 for the mix stage.

    Remember the main reason you bought a surface, the mixing.... what's in that thing you're smoking?



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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/13 08:04:11 (permalink)
    Mully you just gave me an idea ....never tried 8.5 since the X1D wak Vs700 update ..... will see if the display slow motion thing happens ....

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/13 08:10:04 (permalink)
    But don't forget that the slow display update probably came as a result of that (in X1d):

    Bus Selection

    You can now select buses from the console
    Most recently active track/bus is recalled when switching between Track/Bus control on the surface



    Track Selection Sync

    Changing current track in SONAR now updates the console’s selected track. So this now works both ways. In other words:
    Selecting a track in SONAR will result in the Console SEL updating (New behavior)
    Pressing SEL on the Console will result in a track in SONAR becoming selected


    To be honest, that delay is no show stopper for me at all. Although it can be annoying at times, I'd prefer they concentrate on other things first.

    post edited by Grent - 2012/10/13 08:17:18
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/13 20:47:34 (permalink)
    Mully


    There are many reasons why you yourself mix with 8.5 and don't use X1 or X2 for the mix stage.

    Remember the main reason you bought a surface, the mixing.... what's in that thing you're smoking?




    I know what you're saying and I agree. My point is, if you have better mixing capabilities with the Console in 8.5.3, move your tracks over there to mix rather than rant in a forum over things that aren't what you want. I'll ask again, what works and what doesn't? Feature requests aren't bugs. I have yet to see a list of what doesn't work. 

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/14 05:11:36 (permalink)
    I would have thought that just the lack of integration was reason enough? Trying to eq on this thing now for one example is now a waste of money/time and makes you wonder why they release a new platform with this broken in it and suggest all is 'tighter'. Does there actually need to be a list? Cake don't even use the 700 anymore so is there really a point in yet another list? I am certainly not under any illusion of their priority for this gear now...X2 already remember.

    Rant? I've seen real rants and I'm not in that league (yet?) because I'll bail out before before it drives me that crazy. At the rant stage there is surely no hope so why keep bothering. Apologies though if the tone seems out of order as apart from some late night frustration, it is not the purpose.

    You may be right though, might be seriously worth facing the reality and just biting the bullet and try another paddock because I used to always be very positive about Sonar. I don't enjoy this vibe at all.

    Cheers!
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/14 18:21:52 (permalink)
    Hmmm, yes, there actually needs to be a list. A detailed list sent in problem reports to Cakewalk. Dump files from crashs, steps preceding the crash, things don't respond to commands, etc. We don't know that Cakewalk-Roland aren't using the VS700 or working on better integration. While it may seem that it's alot of trouble to go through all those reporting steps, it will help emmencly. Cakewalk doesn't have everyones system to test, they don't know what steps you or me took. I'm sure they have their own list they are working on. I'm just trying to present a positive approach to this very real problem. Beleive me, I am concerned.

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/15 06:06:55 (permalink)
    Craig I haven't had crashes, never really had any as a show stopper issue with Sonar (from memory) because I could always thankfully put together stable hardware.

    I'm really sure Cake are aware of that doesn't work with the 700C coz it's been reported over and over and those things, I'm guessing, that don't work due to whatever reason, they can't simply fix... or else we wouldn't be having this conversation because what company in their right mind would knowingly release something that below par? The issues are simply integration issues with the controller...buttons no longer do what they used for ordinary functions in essence.

    Cake's intentions I'm sure are good, their history proves that. It would be great to have an official statement on their (or/and Roland's) future support for our beloved 700 gear so we can get on with things either way instead of 'hoping' for a good result.

    I'm happy to submit a report though and let you know how the response goes along with others who already have done this but bear in mind that we already have statement(s) from Cake about this stuff in this forum and the priorities are clear... there is none.

    I do appreciate your positive perspective and it's time I believe to step away for a while and look over the horizon and see what the view holds perhaps.

    Cheers!

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/15 09:33:30 (permalink)
    Am I the only one slightly suspicious of a brand new poster who supposedly owns the V 700 system dropping in to pimp Pro Tools?

    Maybe I'm wrong....
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/15 09:35:31 (permalink)
    Am I the only one slightly wary of a brand new poster who supposedly owns the V 700 system dropping in to pimp Pro Tools?

    Maybe I'm wrong....
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/15 10:12:07 (permalink)
    Hey Steve who's the pimper??

    Guinness is my preferred beverage so I hope you mean someone else.

    err... and I sprung for the X2 upgrade tonight after being impressed by the webinar while hunting for some 700C integration action so for now I'm out of the PT race.... didn't find any 700C action though. 


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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/17 08:56:47 (permalink)
    Mully


    Hey Steve who's the pimper??

    Guinness is my preferred beverage so I hope you mean someone else.

    err... and I sprung for the X2 upgrade tonight after being impressed by the webinar while hunting for some 700C integration action so for now I'm out of the PT race.... didn't find any 700C action though. 


    Cheers.
    No Mully not you.
    Seemed to me the Fly guy, who seems to be a new member, was wanting to dump the X1 and 700 right off the bat.
    I'd suppose there might have been some more experience with this stuff before you go PT.
     
    Like I say maybe I'm wrong it just looked fishy.
     
    PS I don't respond as much since for some reason I cant post from the Droid.
    Anybopdy else have that glitch?
    Just the PC.
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/17 09:03:02 (permalink)
    Ahhhh.... no worries. 

    Haven't tried posting from Android so I'm no help there. Might have to try it now as I'm curious.

    Cheers!


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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/17 09:10:08 (permalink)
    Its ok WSS Pro tools is the Devil !!!!

    I can post here from android 4.0 never tried a long post but it seems to work. Pin in the ass due to the size of my phone screen though.


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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/18 06:01:23 (permalink)
    OT Alert:
    Norrie I loved your link... need to show my 10yo your stuff coz it looks great. He is a crazy mad drummer and is gonna love your stuff. Interested in the Turkish cymbals.... geez you have a few endorsements too mate.

    Cheers for now.

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/18 07:02:25 (permalink)
     Hey Mully thanks man ! Can never have a too many drums !
    Yeah I am very lucky with the endorsements.
    Can you guys get Turkish out there ?
    I know a few places cant.

    I have dropped you a message so so I don't hijack the thread :)

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/18 11:10:09 (permalink)
    Yes Norrie nice site and i listen to the two tracks you have up there. NICE work man!
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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/18 21:41:11 (permalink)
    Alright just watched it too Norrie that's killer!! I just liked it on Facebook so I'll be able to find you there!

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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/19 02:32:01 (permalink)
    Westside Steve

    Seemed to me the Fly guy, who seems to be a new member, was wanting to dump the X1 and 700 right off the bat.
    @WSS: i'm new and sponsored by PT to spread unhappiness - that's the way it is in every forum these days
     
    No, seriously, being relatively new to Sonar compared to you guys, I was quite overwhelmed by all that negativism that took over in recent months. I've been reading posts in this forum for a long time now, rarely contributing/posting (unless I had specific problem) as I can't live up to your experience level ...
     
    However, I do like Sonar a lot, just downloaded X2, so I'll stick around ... my only intention with starting this thread was getting the opinion from the Pros


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    Re:VS-700 and X2: What's the verdict? 2012/10/19 06:15:41 (permalink)
    Good to have you aboard Bertl.

    @ Norrie: I'll have a look around for those cymbals mate.

    Cheers.

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