VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives???

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VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives???

Hey Folks,

Ok so respect due to VSampler.  It has served me well since way back when.  Got very buggy in later Sonar versions and since I've gone 64bit its dying way way too often and crashes:


Exception in TSControl.WndProc (TSStringGrid):"Access violation at address 02932ADE in module 'VSampler3.dll'. Read of address 064A0004"
Reason: Msg=513
in module System line (0) in procedure Move
Please notify SpeedSoft with the above information !




Support is long since dead so its time to drop it for once and for all.   My problem is though, I loved one feature it was quite brilliant at and I simply must find an alternative that is capable of the same.  PLAYABLE AUDITIONING of Samples BEFORE importing.  I could simply browse to folder (including sub directories if wished) and highlight a sample within its interface and immediately play it on the keys.

Kontakt cannot do this (which I'm shocked about) so I'm on the hunt for its replacement.  I know ShortCircuit has had its praise and sadly is also dead but I never had luck with it in Sonar on my system.  Haven't tried it in 64bit Bridged but assume that same.


Can anyone suggest a good Softsampler that has this immediate playable auditioning function I cannot live without?


Much thanks for your thoughts,
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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/01/31 17:29:52 (permalink)
    Have you tried the TX16Wx Sampler? You would need to preview using Windows Media Player in the file browser but the sampler is 64bit (and free).
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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/01/31 17:37:36 (permalink)
    Tried that mate but no dice.  Must be playable on keys as I tend to pitch samples when auditioning so the feature is a must have.

    Thanks though ;>
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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/01/31 18:06:16 (permalink)
    Have you tried UVI Workstation? It has a drag and drop browser. It also does loops and it plays wave, rex, and aiff files.

    The workstation itself is free to download and use. UVI makes money by selling sound packages for the workstation. It is a fully functioning workstation without their sound packages and it works within Sonar and outside of Sonar.

    http://www.uvisoundsource...hp?articles_id=8 



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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/01/31 18:12:27 (permalink)
    I haven't used vsampler in a while (and no longer own it) but have you tried it with JBridge?

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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/01/31 18:18:48 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.

    Tried UVI which is a little closer but again the drag/drop slows the process down when browsing 100's of samples. 

    Jbridged Vsampler but no joy.  Its unusable with its intermittent crashes.

    VSAMPLER and SHORT CIRCUIT still the only ones I know that you can 1 click Playable/audition samples on keys.  Theres gota be smth out there.  Surely such  feature is important for "sample heads"

     
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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 02:26:04 (permalink)
    I bought MachFive from Motu to replace Vsampler and E-Mu EmulatorX2.  The sounds that come with it sound fantastic though I'm a bit disappointed at it's ability to read other sample formats as advertised.  It seems to handle sound-fonts pretty good but as far as importing any of the E-Mu stuff, I've had no luck so far.    Even bought Chicken Systems' Translator and still have not been able to get the Emulator sounds imported in a usable way without massive editing.

    It does have a very nice Library/Auditioning function if you have a lot of sounds.  Not sure if there's a demo available but I think it's basically the UVI workstation in Motu clothing.

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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 02:44:33 (permalink)
    I don't know if you're aware of this... but once you load a sample into Kontakt, you can actually step threw all the samples in the folder just like browsing ROM based samples. Both the mapping and sample editors- have arrows located where you see the loaded samples name, that allow you to step forwards or backwards to change the loaded sample while playing.
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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 04:33:26 (permalink)
    @Guitar Dude:  Can you "1 click" a file and play it on keys before importing it for editing?

    @Kine:  Yes mate.  I saw that.  Useful no doubt but still not quite what I'm after.  Vsampler would display 1000's of samples in its Maximized interface (including sub directories) and I could navigate so easily and simply click once on a file and play on keys.


    Its just how I work.  Searching for sounds takes a large amount of my time and so anything less will have a major impact.  ;<



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    Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 05:09:05 (permalink)
    moffdnb



    Can anyone suggest a good Softsampler that has this immediate playable auditioning function I cannot live without? 



    I don't think it has this function exactly, but I have always found Independence Pro very easy to use. There is a free version where you could test the functionality. To audition as you want.  Right click on the instrument, Options - import audio files - select sample - Import with Quick Mapping.
     
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 05:23:37 (permalink)
      Thanks Glyn.

      Too many steps in the process.  Vsampler  - One click and playable.


      Thanks and hope you guys can keep suggestions coming.  Very suprized that this feature is not as popular as I thought it might...
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 05:43:11 (permalink)
      Vsampler was indeed brilliant. RIP.

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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 06:21:36 (permalink)
      I'm reading some stuff on WAVBROWSER and a thing called AURALPROBE but thses seem to be click audition without a "Sampler" type feature that would allow for instant pitching of the wavs.






      Dang this is hard...  
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 07:51:43 (permalink)
      i use several dx and dxi plugins in a program called effects chainer which in turn is wrapped by jbridge. it works exceptionally well.
      ill install the dxi version of vsampler and do some.experimenting to see how it goes. wont be till next week so be patient.

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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 08:17:47 (permalink)
      Cheers Mudgel!.  Keep me posted mate ;>
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 18:22:11 (permalink)
      moffdnb


      @Guitar Dude:  Can you "1 click" a file and play it on keys before importing it for editing?

      @Kine:  Yes mate.  I saw that.  Useful no doubt but still not quite what I'm after.  Vsampler would display 1000's of samples in its Maximized interface (including sub directories) and I could navigate so easily and simply click once on a file and play on keys.


      Its just how I work.  Searching for sounds takes a large amount of my time and so anything less will have a major impact.  ;<

      moffndb,
      What I've been doing is double clicking on the sound, essentially importing, but it leaves you at the library screen until you manually close.  I've been able to, via this method, use my main synth keyboard to audition the imported sound.  To me this is pretty quick, but I'll check and see if there is an even better auditioning method this evening and post back to you here.


      Best,
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 18:58:13 (permalink)
      Cool thanks Gdood.

      Found RESONIC AUDIO PLAYER but its still in development.  No solid ETA yet but looks very slick.  Still looking...
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 21:41:16 (permalink)
      http://www.camelaudio.com/Alchemy.php#alchemy_features
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 21:52:11 (permalink)
      What is Samplelord ?
      Samplelord is a sample player which can work as a VSTi plug-in or standalone application. It can load different sounds in different formats in the same Multi-Patch and play these in real-time just like a hardware sound module.

      http://www.samplelord.com/index.php?page=samplelord
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/01 23:04:38 (permalink)
      jm24


      What is Samplelord ?
      Samplelord is a sample player which can work as a VSTi plug-in or standalone application. It can load different sounds in different formats in the same Multi-Patch and play these in real-time just like a hardware sound module.

      http://www.samplelord.com/index.php?page=samplelord

      I like and use Samplelord at times, although Kontakt is my main sampler. It has its uses. I suspect that the developer (who also has a nice little sample converter) isn't as dedicated to updating it as he once was.
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/02 13:16:52 (permalink)
      I sent a message to Camel last night. here is the response.

      >I find no info about how to audition a sample.
       
      For instructions (text) on importing a sample, please see the following page of the manual.
       
      [link=http://www.camelaudio.com/alchemymanual/source/import/]http://www.camelaudio.com...ymanual/source/import/[/link]
       
      Samples will automatically play when selected, allowing you to audition them before importing them into Alchemy.
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/02 13:45:57 (permalink)
      Thanks guys.

      Can you confirm that any of these programs will allow auditioning of samples on midi keyboard BEFORE the import process.  Everything thus far must import the sample before it will playback on keys.

      Auto preview does not interest me as I need to pitch up/down or audition samples poly phonically.  


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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 00:54:58 (permalink)
      moffdnb


      @Guitar Dude:  Can you "1 click" a file and play it on keys before importing it for editing?



      Yes!,you can do something pretty similar and easy in Kontakt, just one click!:drag and drop the sample to the rack, play your keyboard!!!..drag and drop another sample on to that(replace)..play you keyboard again...I call it ¨importing for polyphonic audition¨,once you're satisfied with the sample add more (for multi-sampling)and do your editing.


      But of course, I don't use that method(like most people), because I'm looking for a bunch of multi-samples that works well together, in their own small range(not a few octaves or the complete keyboard!),and for that matter a simple auditioning of the original sample pitch and sound is enough...
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 01:53:01 (permalink)
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      @Guitar Dude:  Can you "1 click" a file and play it on keys before importing it for editing?

      @Kine:  Yes mate.  I saw that.  Useful no doubt but still not quite what I'm after.  Vsampler would display 1000's of samples in its Maximized interface (including sub directories) and I could navigate so easily and simply click once on a file and play on keys.


      Its just how I work.  Searching for sounds takes a large amount of my time and so anything less will have a major impact.  ;<

      It's pretty much like I said above.  Pull up library, double-click on a sound, play on your midi-synth, double-click next patch, play on your synth.  Once you've got what you're looking for, click okay and either edit away or record/playback midi with that sound.  Pretty straight forward  and simple.  I think VSampler may qualify for a competitive upgrade pricing.


      Best,
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 07:39:27 (permalink)
      ok thanks guys.  Not gona work for me.  1000's to go through so anything more then 1 click is a killer.

      Search continues...
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 08:03:38 (permalink)
      You have described the need for two functions:
        easy auditioning
         playing samples

      VSampler provides both of these functions.

      But most other programs do not.  It prolly will be you will need to use two programs.

      Does the browser of the standalone version of VSampler work without crashes?

      For their search and audition functions:
      Sample lord is worth playing with the demo.
      As is Alchemy.

      And IFoundASound also may work for searching:
      http://ifoundasound.com/ifoundasound/downloads/ifoundasound%20manual.pdf
       
       
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 17:47:43 (permalink)
      You know what... i never thought of that.  

      Will try VSampler stand alone.  Good thinking JS!.  Yes external will do me as I'm even looking into audio browser programs.  Though none have pitch playback so far...


      Thanks mate.  Hope it works.
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 18:27:48 (permalink)
      Actually wait...

      I'm on 64bit.  Can I JBridge VS-32 outside of Sonar?
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 19:09:59 (permalink)
      Don't need bridger outside of host.
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      Re:VSAMPLER R.I.P. (For once & for all 64bit). Alternatives??? 2013/02/03 19:17:38 (permalink)
      Cool will try it 2mrw.  Hopefully this might work.  Thanks JS ;>
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