mdages
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VST Expression or something similar
Many composers who work in film, game and media industrie, are very happy about the VST Expression feature in Steinbergs Cubase DAW. I know some people bought Cubase because of that feature only. I think, VST expression or something similar is something could be very useful in Sonar too. As today, Cubase is the only DAW with such a technology and maybe it's time to change this. What is VST Expression? It's useful for alle people working with huge orchestral sample libraries. It makes possible to hide key- or midi cc switches from the piano and staff view and provides articulation markers. It allows to assign articulations to notes and vst expression automatically know which keyswitch or midi cc is neccesary to provide that articulation. For more details, check out the web or steinberg website: https://www.steinberg.net/en/company/technologies/vst_expression.html _Markus Please support this request by clicking on the stars to the left, thanks.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/21 14:21:03
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Totally! I was expecting this when the Bakers finally adopted VST3.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/21 14:40:31
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Adapting drum maps into visual cues on staff view would be very cool and a nice way of implementing articulations.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/22 05:00:53
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I agree this would be great. This is similar to how Notion works. This would improve workflow and allow people to compose without having to try to draw midi CCs or put in key switches all the time.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/22 16:56:27
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mdages
Please support this request by clicking on the stars to the left, thanks.
Right actually (LOL) - but voted yes. Would be a valuable addition to SONAR and would help to round out the VST3 feature set. Thanks Markus
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mdages
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/27 07:30:27
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/27 15:17:46
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Definitely. Just bought the Platinum upgrade, and the painter tool is a nifty time saver to rolling out an ostinato, but... still sad over no VST expression (or something like it in the piano roll view).
Note, I also wish there were a way to record real-time controller data in the piano roll or at least convert automation lanes to midi data in the piano roll easily, but I can probably live with how things are there. VST Expression, on the other hand, would simplify my workflow tremendously.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/27 16:14:56
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It typically takes time for other DAWs to catch up with Steinberg when it comes to VST features. Hard to not suspect this is sonewhat intentional on their part since they own the technology. I'm sure not being at the mercy of Steinberg figured into the decision of Apple to use audio units and Avid to use AAX. I think the feature will eventually come after everyone figures how to make it stable outside of Cubase environment.
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theheliosequence
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/01/27 21:32:03
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I think something like this would be great.
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JamieH
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/06/22 14:29:35
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Please please please add something like this. I have been using Sonar (Cakewalk) for about 20 years but I'm actually considering moving to Cubase almost 100% for this feature. Not sure 1 feature is worth learning an entirely new DAW for, but I'm so tired to digging through my MIDI event list looking for keyswitch commands. I can't imagine how much time I waste editing keyswitch stuff that could be saved by a feature like this.
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stevec
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/06/22 15:30:56
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As I understand it, doesn't VST Expression only work with specific Steinberg synths within Cubase? IOW, it's not a VST feature per se but rather a communication channel between the host and synths specifically coded to work with it? At least that's what I recall hearing when it was introduced...
So I don't know how practical something like this might actually be, but I would personally use it fairly often.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/06/24 02:40:42
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Remember that Cakewalk have a new MIDI engine as of Sonar Dorchester. Perhaps they are laying the ground work for these sorts of features in the future.
Look how ARA was developed jointly by Melodyne and Presonus. Now Cakewalk have taken that technology and run with it. Look at Drum Replacer. They mentioned that it had been in development for nearly a year.
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/11/03 09:16:26
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stevec
As I understand it, doesn't VST Expression only work with specific Steinberg synths within Cubase? IOW, it's not a VST feature per se but rather a communication channel between the host and synths specifically coded to work with it? At least that's what I recall hearing when it was introduced...
So I don't know how practical something like this might actually be, but I would personally use it fairly often.
No. Note Expression (VST3.5) needs to be supported by the VSTi but an expression map can be defined for any VSTi. And as VST Expression is part of the VST3 standard I guess Cakewalk is free to implement it (as they anyway have licensed VST3). VST Expression (and notation improvements) is what would make me upgrade from my Sonar X3. If it does not come soon, I will probably switch to Cubase ...
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/11/04 15:27:17
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drjee
Note Expression (VST3.5) needs to be supported by the VSTi but an expression map can be defined for any VSTi.
And as VST Expression is part of the VST3 standard I guess Cakewalk is free to implement it (as they anyway have licensed VST3). VST Expression (and notation improvements) is what would make me upgrade from my Sonar X3. If it does not come soon, I will probably switch to Cubase ...
I like the concept of bundling automation and midi notes (or clips?). On the other hand I am not aware of any VST3.5 Software Synth... Is today Halion the only software synth that supports note expression? Many recent NI libraries seem to use built-in scripts to handle articulations, is that the same idea?
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mesayre
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Re: VST Expression or something similar
2015/11/07 11:36:11
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This would be extremely helpful voted to the max!
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