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VST's with no GUI's
Does anyone know a fix for VST plugins that have no GUI. I have come across a few(Vacuumsound ADT and Airwindows ToTape5 ) that are suppose to have sliders but when I load the plugin, it loads, just no sliders to control it.
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gustabo
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 16:17:54
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They don't have gui's, gui-less plugs look different in different daws, you probably saw a screen print of what it looks like in another daw.
Still works though.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 16:18:43
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 16:53:28
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i don't think sonar handles generic vst interface?
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 17:18:51
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Chris for Airwindows puts it like this:
"Sonar Platinum is having issues I can't fix because they try to draw controls with broken code"
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 20:37:06
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Thanks Everyone, creating the Fx chain wrapper from the thread did the trick. I never would have thought of that.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 20:37:27
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SONAR/Cakewalk broke (or allowed to become broken) gui-less VST support. It used to work back in the X1-X3 days. Someone who cares about it might need to report it to Cakewalk properly, so they can ignore it officially. 
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 21:10:00
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My work around is loading those plugins using BlueCatAudio Patchwork. I only have the plugin for using VSTs in Pro Tools, but now finally have use for it with Sonar as well. There is a user on GS (Jeezo) that is using chainer FX to create custom GUIs for these types of plugins https://www.gearslutz.com/board/12713991-post492.html
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 21:10:38
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I seem to pushing my system too much these days. That's the 4th time today I had to recover a project I'm working on. Also the sound driver seems to be a bit dubious and crashing. 1st world problems I know.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/04 21:13:46
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Air Windows plugs don't work very well in SONAR period.
Only thing is to make Fx Chains out of em.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/05 06:41:54
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msorrels
SONAR/Cakewalk broke (or allowed to become broken) gui-less VST support. It used to work back in the X1-X3 days...
I had the same problem with Airwindows plug-ins in X3. I'm not sure about other GUI-less plug-ins, or X1 or X2.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/05 14:06:59
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I use an other GUI-less plug-in - Dynamic Audio Normalizer.
The plugin works perfect - but the GUI that is generated via SONAR is just very very bad.
It's almost impossible to change any values.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/05 16:31:54
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That's the problem we're talking about, so stick it in an FX Chain. 
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/05 17:47:18
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@Wibbles
I don't like FX Chains. The problem is that all values in FX Chain are >0% to max. 100%.
However the real value is time (for example a delay) and must be 400 ms to 2500 ms.
Other example: I want to set a gain value (dynamic normalize) to -6dB,
then I cannot do this with only percent-values in a FX-Chain.
The values from the GUI-less plugin are not readable and I cannot say which percent-value from the FX-Chain corresponds to the real values of the plugin.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/07 18:33:24
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☄ Helpfulby petemus 2017/09/12 17:59:02
We'll look into this, thanks and sorry for the issues.
Keith
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/07 18:47:10
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THambrecht
@Wibbles
I don't like FX Chains. The problem is that all values in FX Chain are >0% to max. 100%.
However the real value is time (for example a delay) and must be 400 ms to 2500 ms.
Other example: I want to set a gain value (dynamic normalize) to -6dB,
This is possible, but it takes more work. For example if a delay goes from 0 to 2500 ms, and you want the FX Chain to cover from 400 to 900 ms, then you have to do the math and find that the FX Chain control needs to go from 16% to 36%. IF the curve is non-linear you may need to tweak the percentages somewhat, but you can see if the plug-in dial goes to the correct settings when you turn the FX Chain knob. It can take some trial-and-error when trying to do something really precise, like having an LFO cover the exact same range as a Leslie speaker, but it's doable.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/07/08 06:14:05
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Assignable Controls (in the Track Inspector) might work in this case. However they would only display the values as a percentage, so it would not be much of an improvement over FX Chains.
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Re: VST's with no GUI's
2017/09/12 18:04:31
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I'd like to try a PizMidi plugin, but being an instrument VST (VSTi), it can't wrapped into an FX Chain, or can it? "Convert FX Rack to FX Chain" seems to be grayed out...
Please really look into this; it's working with 32-bit plugins hosted by BitBridge and I sort of remember it working with 64-bit plugins as well. The current view is a mess, although you sort of can control the settings, if you care to make Sonar to repaint the UI often enough by resizing the VST window.
Thanks,
Pete
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