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V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
Nice concept the V Studio 100. But why is it so ugly. Dark blue box with black knobs. Ickle little buttons and sharp corners. What is going on here. When was a dull blue/black brick cool? Why no raked surface so you can see it when seated. Even Brandon has it propped up at an angle in the demo videos. It looks crowded and over populated. OK, I know this is going to start another 'form over function' argument, but honestly guys . . . . Look at The Steinberg effort. Admitted it has not got the audio bits or an SD slot. So make it bigger! It just a little more metal and plastic. Take a look at the link below. At least I could find these knobs in the dark. No pun intended. Honest. http://www.steinberg.net/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=typo3temp/pics/9e94d76e7f.jpg&t=1238722104&hash=1016b6a4214e84e91fcc5d10d3e0df5c
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 20:48:11
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ORIGINAL: creynolds
Nice concept the V Studio 100. But why is it so ugly. Dark blue box with black knobs. Ickle little buttons and sharp corners. What is going on here. When was a dull blue/black brick cool? Why no raked surface so you can see it when seated. Even Brandon has it propped up at an angle in the demo videos. It looks crowded and over populated. OK, I know this is going to start another 'form over function' argument, but honestly guys . . . . Look at The Steinberg effort. Admitted it has not got the audio bits or an SD slot.
So make it bigger! It just a little more metal and plastic. Take a look at the link below. At least I could find these knobs in the dark. No pun intended. Honest.
http://www.steinberg.net/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=typo3temp/pics/9e94d76e7f.jpg&t=1238722104&hash=1016b6a4214e84e91fcc5d10d3e0df5c
Hi Chris, Ok people definitely have different ideas about design and aesthetics, etc. I won't argue something that is so subjective. However (and this is not intended as any knock to the good people at Steinberg) but have you actually touched and felt the above mentioned product? The V-Studio 100 feels like a tank.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 21:41:23
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Ok people definitely have different ideas about design and aesthetics, etc. I won't argue something that is so subjective. However (and this is not intended as any knock to the good people at Steinberg) but have you actually touched and felt the above mentioned product? The V-Studio 100 feels like a tank. Hi Brandon, I have no desire to denigrate the great work that you guys at Cakewalk do. Believe or not I am a huge fan of all things Cakewalk. I am certain that under the hood the V-Studio 100 is a truly great piece of kit. Equally I respect your comments regarding the build quality of the 'other product' to which I referred above. The problem for me is that I want Cakewalk to prosper and develop so that I can look forward to the future with Cakewalk. My concern is this. If the product looks like a tank as well as feeling and being built like one then I do not think it will gain favour with the new and modern minded user. I don't think people will seek out an unexciting looking product when something more attractive is available. That is shallow I admit. But that is the harsh world we live in. If the product could combine all the desirable aspects mentioned here with good looks, it could fare so much better in this challenging market. Why make the buyers decision more complex for the sake of a few curves? Best of luck to Cakewalk with this new direction.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 21:53:29
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Thanks for your thoughtful comments Chris. All I can really say on the subject is that your opinion here is noted and considered.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:03:56
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Two comments on the design:
The elements that really stand out are the end caps. (At least on the photos and videos I've seen.) At first glance, they look like someone forgot to remove the styrofoam end-caps. Do they look better live? Do they serve a protective function, i.e. are they resilient and absorb mechanical shocks?
The other thing is that it doesn't look like a portable device. Square and boxy with exposed knobs doesn't make you want to pick it up and take it our live. As it stands, it really needs a padded case with a carrying handle.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:10:24
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Judging by the pictures alone I prefer the CW unit for looks and function. The Steinberg unit looks as if it was cobbled together by an electronic hobbyist with parts gotten from Radio Shack. However, the VS 700 seems more to my liking anyway. 
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:14:33
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If the product could combine all the desirable aspects mentioned here with good looks, it could fare so much better in this challenging market. Diff'rent strokes and all that, but I much prefer the look of the V-Studio 100! The "S" product looks frankly a little toy-ish to me. It's probably a fine piece of equipment, but if I had to choose on looks alone there'd be no contest!  -Susan
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:30:21
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If the product could combine all the desirable aspects mentioned here with good looks, it could fare so much better in this challenging market.
Diff'rent strokes and all that, but I much prefer the look of the V-Studio 100! The "S" product looks frankly a little toy-ish to me. It's probably a fine piece of equipment, but if I had to choose on looks alone there'd be no contest!
-Susan
Hmm your avatar is a cute fluffy doggie. Sorry cheap shot.. But seriously for a moment. I think the S product looks usable and light. It does not look dark and a little foreboding as the V-Studio 100 does. This comment could be applied to the 700 also. Finding those knobs in a dim studio could be tricky. Ergonomically the S is racked and has very boldly coloured illuminated buttons. It looks sleek. But hey . . . the fader is on the wrong side!! Now the Euphonix MC mix really does look nice and touchy feely. It oozes quality. Not cheap though. John I agree with your superior function statement. But then they are not exactly the same category of product. I am trying to draw all of our attention to the look alone. I was almost expecting wooden end cheeks. A shame that the chance to make a real splash has been missed by Roland Cakewalk. With better looks some folks would have looked longer and deeper at this rather clever and sophisticated product.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:40:36
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Sorry cheap shot.. But seriously for a moment.
The cheaper shot would be to say that at least SONAR users are used to things looking ugly.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 22:43:38
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if I had to choose on looks alone there'd be no contest!
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 23:02:12
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The design looks solid and I like the 'buttons' transport controls (the way they light-up) I think it would be perfect if CW could use that style of buttons throughout SONAR GUI. I feel the VS100 is aimed at the mid to lower budget whereas the VS700 is for mid to higher budgets, this fills the gap but what I suggest is another version of VS100 as a Control Surface only (without rec n software options) to bring down the cost by more than 50%. Well done Cakewalk n Roland
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/01 23:12:31
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so it true ... in relationships .... looks DO count 
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 00:08:44
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From the looks of it, I kinda like VS-100. If I get this, it'll be primarily for taking in out on the road and I do like the sturdy 'look.' We'll see how well it actually stands against the rigors of being thrown around as it gets taken on the road. Once it hits the market, I'll definitely have to check it out. Looks is one thing but to hold it and feel it would tell much more of its sturdiness. On that account, I'll just have to take Brandon's word for it since I'm sure he's holding one right now as he teases all of us about how tank-like it feels to him, hehehe! 
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 00:57:11
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...8)...
The real question is, how stable is it, how do the preamps and A/D converters sound, what the latency like etc etc...I could give an obese rodents derrier about looks, its how it functions and how it sounds...
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 02:16:50
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Judging by the pictures alone I prefer the CW unit for looks and function. The Steinberg unit looks as if it was cobbled together by an electronic hobbyist with parts gotten from Radio Shack. However, the VS 700 seems more to my liking anyway.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 05:43:20
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In a world where people buy Hummers (well, they did before the recession), don't you think there are a lot of people that actually like utilitarian design? Maybe I'm really uncool, but I quite like the "brick" look.
Regarding the color choice, the unit is obviously colored to match the Sonar 8 color scheme. For better or for worse, I do understand where they're coming from. And, I can tell you that about 75% of the rack gear I have bought over the years has only been available in one color... black.
It's always going to be a case of "you can't please all of the people all of the time". For me, audio quality & performance is 95% of the deal. The packaging is just icing.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 05:48:41
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Other than the end caps, I think the 100 is very stylish. Doesn't look like a kids toy as the "S" product does.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 08:28:51
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I feel the VS100 is aimed at the mid to lower budget whereas the VS700 is for mid to higher budgets, this fills the gap but what I suggest is another version of VS100 as a Control Surface only (without rec n software options) to bring down the cost by more than 50%.
now thats a thought...ill have one please.. as far as design goes some of my favourite audio equipment manufacturers was NAD....you dont get much more utilitarian.. I like the look of the 100...i just dont need the software or recording options
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
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If the product could combine all the desirable aspects mentioned here with good looks, it could fare so much better in this challenging market.
Diff'rent strokes and all that, but I much prefer the look of the V-Studio 100! The "S" product looks frankly a little toy-ish to me. It's probably a fine piece of equipment, but if I had to choose on looks alone there'd be no contest!
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/02 19:18:24
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I think the design looks fine. It's got that 'all surfaces utilised' thing typical of portable boxes, which is to be expected. I do agree though that a sloped or wedge design would be more ergonomic for when you've got it on a desk in front of you, to have the controls pointing back at you rather than straight up... but hey, I haven't seen one in real life yet, let alone used one, so salt-take-grain-of...
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/06 17:05:42
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I think it is beautiful. Like a bus. A real good bus that needs more doors and escape hatches and stuff like that. SJO
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/06 17:11:08
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I also remeber a guy who fell asleep in his tank at Por Le Hung landing zone in nam. Had 3 RPG rockets stuck in his tar mack. Had a hell of a time getting them un-plugged. A fourth one would have been to much. If it worked? SJO.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/04/30 22:46:35
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As it stands, it really needs a padded case with a carrying handle.
I have a friend who says the same thing about me.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/01 18:08:45
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The V Studio 100 is a beautifully built device and it feels very nice to operate. It is solid and sits firmly anywhere. The audio specs are great too. It samples up to 96 KHz and at 24 bit if you want. Converters sound excellent on the way IN and OUT. The fader allows you to see many aspects of the software and the knobs allow lots of control too. Transport makes it all easier as well.
One of the great features is its ability to disengage itself from the laptop or desktop and go out and make quality recordings. The software that comes with it is great as are the plug ins too. It reconnects so easily to either a laptop or desktop making transferring of audio files over to your main Sonar 8 program easy.
It is a perfect solution for people who want great IN OUT capabilities plus you get the sequencing package as well. Just add some sort of keyboard controller and you have a compact sytem that is very capable. The other controllers you are referring dont have anyehere near as many facilities built in. The V Studio 100 offers many functions. It is a controller, audio interface, stand alone recorder and digital mixer. It is also a great live playback device too. And if you have it connected to a laptop live you could play back amazing backing tracks and play all your virtual synths at the same time. And talking of those, you get a set of Studio instruments plus LE versions of Dimension and Rapture standard to get you going! While you are playing all those instruments live you coud also be recording everything at the same time.
It works very well connected to a MAC and can be used to perform most of those functions with other programs. It is a very well designed piece of kit and many aspects of this unit are easily overlooked.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/03 14:20:04
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Ok people definitely have different ideas about design and aesthetics, etc. I won't argue something that is so subjective. However (and this is not intended as any knock to the good people at Steinberg) but have you actually touched and felt the above mentioned product? The V-Studio 100 feels like a tank.
.....My concern is this. If the product looks like a tank as well as feeling and being built like one then I do not think it will gain favour with the new and modern minded user. I don't think people will seek out an unexciting looking product when something more attractive is available. That is shallow I admit. ....
Different strokes and all that.... The VS100 looks awesome to me. Great looking product. Please don't try to speak for all "new and modern minded user"s. I think Cake nailed it.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/03 23:10:45
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seen it an tried it , looks great !! feel solid....vs 100 ,VS 700 what else ? (between) .....proud to be an calewalk user here cause the serie is only in the begining !!! so i think with time every users will find its baby !!
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/05 20:30:43
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Different strokes and all that.... The VS100 looks awesome to me. Great looking product. Please don't try to speak for all "new and modern minded user"s. I think Cake nailed it.
What I say is my opinion. I said 'I do not think it will gain favour with the new and modern minded user'. That is not speaking for them, It is what I believe. So don't talk wet. I don't think cakewalk nailed the look. I think they bolted it to an iron girder. It's a nice concept, well made I am told and just right for the market. Just not as attractive as it should have been. My opinion that is all. Its a Volvo estate. Boxy but good.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/11 19:52:05
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The bottom line Creynolds, is that Cakewalk effectively implemented a "little brother" of the V-Studio 700 to the market of users who cannot afford to dish out what the 700 costs. And frankly I believe most users could give a damn what it looks like as long as it's functions and more importantly it's sound is up to par or better than other units in the same range. The choice to buy a piece of gear should never include whether it "looks" nice or not. In fact some of the best gear I own looks quite ugly, but their sound will blow most other units like 'em out of the water. And that's what really matters most, the sound! Oh, and I'd also like to compliment Cakewalk on a simply phenomenal job on both the V-Studio units as they truly are amazing on all counts!
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/11 20:41:40
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Now that I look at it some more, the OP does a have a few good points. The end caps don't make much sense, they don't attach to rack ears nor do they attack to a carrying strap or handle, like a portable DAT would have (which is what this unit looks like).
His best point tho, is why is the unit a box and not a raked device? The V700 is raked, and tho people might use this standing up, that's still easier to do with a raked unit than to use this one sitting down. Plus, a rounded, raked unit slides into a laptop bag much more easily.
Well, it's too late now obviously! Maybe v2.0 they'll "ergo" it out? The MBox went through the same evolution. I won't hold it against Cake at all, just a note moving forward.
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RE: V-Studio 100!! Cakewalk please get a designer!!
2009/05/12 08:16:57
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And frankly I believe most users could give a damn what it looks like as long as it's functions and more importantly it's sound is up to par or better than other units in the same range. The choice to buy a piece of gear should never include whether it "looks" nice or not. I couldn't disagree more. As I have stated several several times in this thread, looks sell. It sell cars, it sells white goods and its sells hi-fi etc. Would the ipod have shifted in such volumes if it looked naff? I think not. I think good looks show care and respect for the product. Manufacturers should not slave over product for a year or more then stick their masterpiece in a dowdy, dark square metallic brick and then shove it at the consumer. Good design makes products look current and vital. I really think most users do give a damn. In fact I think most people give a damn how they present there studios and gear. The choice to buy a piece of gear should always include whether it "looks" nice or not. If Cakewalk had made this device more visually attractive, I believe they would sell more and that would be good for all us devotees.
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