V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP!

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V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP!

HI, guys, I'm new to the whole recording realm. Been playing and writing songs for years but I am mostly clueless when it comes to recording. I am at the point where I have installed all the software, plugged in a microphone and did some test recording. I am now taking a look at the soft synths that are included in the v studio 100 version of cakewalk. Subsequently, I am having trouble figuring out how to import the drum tracks from the soft synth program (I hope I'm saying that right) and recording them as an actual drum track for my song. 

I have come as far as opening the drum synth, messed around with a few of the stock patters. Even tried dragging a stock pattern over to one of the tracks (to no avail).

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Also, am I only able to do 8 tracks on a given song or am I able to record as many tracks as I want with the v studio 100 (taking potential latency in to account). Thank you so much for even taking the time to read this post.


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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/02/27 15:58:42 (permalink)
    go to insert/soft synth.
    choose cakewalk instruments,si-drums.

    so gather youve got this far ?

    see with recording midi its a little different than anything youve ever used before,unlike audio where you can see a wave inside your track,midi are these litte dots/dashes if you will.
    these little dots/dashes represent the notes you are rec.

    so once you have inserted that synth.
    arm your track and as long as your hearing this drum kit you should be good to go.

    press record/play these drums using your keyboard/controller,exc.
    when you press stop and play it back,its playing back the notes you have entered,almost like a morse code.

    rather than record you can alternitively drag and drop midi clips in to your tracks as well.
    Sonar Le,exc comes packed with a lot of midi content just for this purpose.

    its a good idea to go to your profile settings here in this forum and choose edit my profile/signiture.
    type in as much info on your computer,soundcard and version of sonar you are using.
    this will speed up responces from users who know exactly what they're dealing with.(your sys specs)

    please feel free to ask more questions and welcome to the forum,congrats on a great control surface/soundcard such as the vs 100.
    i have a vs 20,i love it.

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/02/28 11:07:06 (permalink)
    Thanks Chuke. 

    So I am still having problems loading the midi drum tracks and recording them as the actual drum track for my song. what I have been doing is:

    arming the track 

    opening up the drum program

    selecting a pre-made drum track (faster for this purpose) and dragging my selected drum pattern over to the track I am trying to record it to. 

    it allows me to add the drum pattern but only shows a small section of the track covered by the pattern. 

    I then expand the drum patter so that it fits over 20 seconds or so, click the main record button located at the top of the sonar vs recording software window.

    when I do this it looks like it's recording, but I only hear a click track w/ no drums. when I try to play it back I hear silence.

    post edited by fridgebuzz - 2013/02/28 20:33:30
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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/02/28 20:30:42 (permalink)
    .....also, I put my system specs in my sig but for some reason it isn't showing up....
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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/02/28 21:11:41 (permalink)
    okay,heres what i want you to do,try this,
    i want you to look in the track where you are putting your file in,only this time,dont look right in front of you,scroll down to the right..all the way down the timeline,like close and see if your midi file is there.

    there is a setting in preferences called import media at broadcast timestamp i believe,what might be happening is when you are dropping your sample down,its not being dropped where it should,but instead its being dropped like 20-40 measures away,so llok closely down the timeline on the same track,just hit the arrow button to scrool sideways,to the right.

    im not going to get in to the logistics of why this happens but it does for a purpose,but this setting will change that.

    try updating your signiture again,if not post your soundcard/specs right here in a post,im working blind here without them.
    its too your advantage,

    sorry im a little late responding.
    you can also set it up so the second i respond to this thread you will recieve an email.

    check back later

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/01 14:00:32 (permalink)
    Hey chuke, thanks again, I had to get back to work today so I won't have time to work on this until I get home. I will try to update my profile again, sig, e-mail alerts, etc. Just wanted to give you a heads up. I see you are in Boston, I'm in California. So it may not be until late in the evening your time. Thank you again for taking the time to help out a noob, it's appreciated.

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    I'll have to get back to you with the sound card.
    post edited by fridgebuzz - 2013/03/01 14:05:25
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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/01 20:44:17 (permalink)
    good enough fridge,thanks 4 the heads up.

    i normally dont check back on threads like i have been on this one.
    im usualy on a totaly different part of this forum(sonar x1-x2)
    but ive pretty much taken over the VS-20 forum(answering every question in there)
    thats how i found your post,its one over from the VS-20(which i what i have)

    i just want to make sure you're all set,thats why ive been checking in here on/off
    so i do appreciate that your greatful  :)

    i think you may find the solution i provided in our last discussion will provide useful.
    the more i started thinking about it,the more im confident on thats what it is.

    when i mention what kind of soundcard are you usind i also should have been specific.
    i know your using the vs-20 as your interface/it should be your soundcard as well.
    so hopefully you have installed those drivers and are running this unit in its native ASIO format.

    talk to you soon

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/03 20:17:51 (permalink)
    Hey chuke.

    Sorry for the late response. I tried scrolling right on the track I selected to drag and drop the drum pattern but there was nothing there.

    On the track, it does show a small section of the drum track that I am able to expand. It sort of looks like this:

    --------------------------- _______----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------               
       empty track             [ drum    ]   rest of empty track
                                      [ pattern]
                                      [             ]
    ----------------------------_______---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    the empty and armed blank track is colored red, the little section of drums is blue and includes the name of the drum track itself (2TON-B, etc).

    I can expand the drum pattern, which I do, from the start of the track to measure 20. I then click record. 

    once I click record I hear the click track and nothing else. 

    then I play the whole thing back but here nothing but silence.

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/03 20:26:29 (permalink)
    when you play that section of blue track,it has no content on it?

    have you checked you inputs/outputs on that track?
    for instance,your input should be (your soundcard)the vs100
    your output should be the synth you are trying to use.

    make sure when recording,your input echo button is engaged,your rec.button is engaged and you input/ouputs set up as i have discribed here.

    try a test and record a synth to see if your getting I/O correctly.
    go to insert/soft synth.
    then check your I/O

    make abso lutely sure that in preferences,your device is selected correctly.
    what ever your using for a keyboard.
    your soundcard/vs100 should also be using ASIO as your driver device

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/03 20:45:39 (permalink)
    there is content before I click record.

    I did not have input echo on, I turned it on, tried again and nothing.

    Sorry, but I am unsure on how to adjust the input/output settings....

    I did just realize that when I startup the VS software, I keep telling it I don't don't have a midi controller for the output (will be purchasing one in the next week or so, do you have any recommendations? I've been looking at one of the cheaper m audio ones for now) is there a way I can set it to my laptop keyboard for now?  

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/03 21:41:14 (permalink)
    I went ahead and ordered an Akai Pro LPK25. I thought I could get away with learning the basics without a midi controller for now, but there's no sense in not having one. should be here in a week.

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/03 22:05:04 (permalink)
    i had the lpk 25,its a great starter controler.
    it is a controler,let me explain the difference.
    a keyboard is something that has sounds built in to it.
    a controler looks just like a keyboard but it has no sounds,it uses sonars sounds,like demention pro,cakewalk sound center,rapture,zt3a,understand ?  :)

    i know whats happening right now your saying holy cow,more money?..lol.
    and you went with the cheapest controler you could find..i dont blame you,
    your walking in the same foot steps as i did,get a feel forit them upgrade :)
    my next purchase after the lpk was a m audio oxygen 49.
    it has full size keys and more importantly,it has knobs and sliders,which control the faders and pan knobs in sonar.
    your lpk doesnt,but thats okay,it was a wise choice for right now.

    let me get back to you later when i have more time,for now check out this video i made on setting up session drummer 3 for midi.its for using a drum machine but it still shows basic set up techniques.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZS61Wg-XY
    then theres this one which is how i write drum parts in the Piano roll view
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

    these tutorials might help you out a bit to understand basic/advanced triggering methods.
    by the way when you get you lpk 25,set it up just as i show you in this video,only replace the drum machine example,for the lpk.

    enjoy and congrads on the keyboard purchase.

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/04 12:46:58 (permalink)
    great. thank you for the insight! I will check out the videos this evening. sharing your gear experience is really helpful, I'm glad to know I'm heading in the right direction and will make note of your recommendations when I'm ready to progress. I've been eyeing an alesis sr-16 for a while as another means of creating drum tracks. from what I know of it, it has been around for years but many old-school musicians say it's great, what do you think (haven't had cause to demo ie until now, but I've heard tracks that it has been used in)? It's going to be a long week waiting for the controller to arrive!

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/05 20:56:44 (permalink)
    if you have a keyboard you can do a lot as well.
    but to be honest once you master the prv tools.
    you write drum parts by hand fast as lightning.

    check out the vid on editing in the prv,it will get you going in the right direction.

    i hope everything is working out for you man.

    talk to you later  :)

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/06 12:47:21 (permalink)
    the keyboard arrived this morning (several days early). I will be hooking things together sometime in the next couple of days. so I may be bugging you again, soon. ha. 

    btw I didn't even realize that one of the tutorial vids in your sig, you are using the sr 16. 
    post edited by fridgebuzz - 2013/03/06 12:50:11

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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/12 15:17:55 (permalink)
    Soo... I finally had a minute to sit down with the LPK25... plugged it in, installed everything, but suddenly I am getting no sound with the cakewalk vs software. The meter rises and falls whenever I play with the drum soft synth but there is no actual sound coming in through the headphones...:-/ 

    I tried the options in the troubleshooting guide but I didn't get very far. :-/
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    Re:V-Studio 100..... how to use DRUM TRACK soft synth....HELP! 2013/03/12 16:13:36 (permalink)
    did you turn on input echo ?

    this is the one everyone forgets.

    also go through your I/O's man  :)

    inputs outputs.

    make sure your device is indeed selected in preferences/midi.
    then make sure your input is AKAI LPK
    your output:the synth you loaded.

    install the driver too. but don't mess around with that software,just install it.
    also try a few different synths,use the octave buttons as well you could be out of range of some synths

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