V-Vocal Clips

When using AudioSnap, its expected that the clips will be 'bounced to clip' in order to perform the off-line rendering algorithm.

Is this whats expected when using V-Vocal clips?

I ask this as im hearing a kind of 'phasing' in the V-Vocal clip as Im working on it.

Regards

There are a number of things you can do to try and get V-Vocal to perform without phaseyness in its processing.

1 - Only work in short clips
2 - Make sure your clips are clean, free of bleed & noise (as far as possible)
3 - Top & Tail each clip
4 - Mono clips only!! If you do have stereo tracks to deal with, bounce it to a pair of split mono clips, do your V-Vocal processing, then bounce back to stereo
5 - Don't rely on any sort of auto correcting, do all your edits manually
6 - LISTEN to the clips objectively - if individual notes don't SOUND out of tune, don't adjust them
7 - Don't try to correct out of tune notes to the nearest cent - keep a bit of natural variation just like a really good vocal performance should be
8 - Don't forget to use the Time Tab for correcting out of time notes - this is great for massaging harmonies into a coherent whole
9 - If a note has to be adjusted so far that the formant is altered audibly, use the Formant Tab
10- You might want to bounce each processed clip down after you've finished processing. Some users must do this in order to maintain stability - I personally have never had the need to do so and my projects are happy with several dozen live, unprocessed V/V clips. YMMV.

If I think of anything else I'll add to it later.

I've noticed the phasing issue on maybe 2/3 occasions.

It seems to be more noticeable on male vocals than female - go figure!

One tip that has helped me is to turn the "pitch follow" knob to 0 (12:00). Don't know why, but it seems to work for me.

Something else that gives me good results is rather than changing base pitches too much I use the LFO tool a lot to reduce the amount of "wandering" my voice does from that base pitch.

Of course not everyone is a bad a singer as me so YMMV......

A. I don't understand the bounce-to-clips thing.  If I do that, are you saying that 1-the V-Vocal clip on top becomes a regular audio clip and 2-the original audio underneath is lost?  That's fine, but I want to understand what I am doing.

B. I still have not been able to adjust formant on a note-by-note basis.  Any formant change I make affects the whole clip.  What am I missing?

C. Split does not seem to work on V-Vocal clips.  Is Split unavailable until after the bounce?

I have made a lot of progress using V-Vocal but still have a few areas of confusion.  Thanks.

Allow me a slight correction, and another tip:

--After editing a clip with VV, select it so it's black, bounce to clip--But that doesn't delete the original.  That original, unaffected clip is still there in the time line, muted.  If it's a hassle to see the muted clip, do as Bitflipper suggests - collapse it so it's just a sliver.  If you ever want to go back to the original, just delete the VV bounce and un-mute the original.

--In the Formant window, as FBB said,  you select just the syllable or word you want to fix, selecting that portion in the timeline inside VV.  You can try using the Pencil tool to draw exactly what you want free hand, or just grab the horizontal bar and move it like in VV's main window.

--Since you're working on a clip in VV - that's what you have, that clip, until you've bounced it, then as FBB said, it's just a regular audio clip and you can do anything else with it you want.

RB

konradh


Thanks, guys.  My previous attempt at a single note formant change did not work, but I will check again later today.

Hi, Konradh - When you're at your computer later, take a look at the Formant screen in VV.  Just like the first pitch window, it has a time line like in Sonar.  Sweep through the area you want to work on, then when you use the selection tool, only that chosen section will move.  Or, as I said earlier, use the pencil tool and draw what you want, starting at the default 0 position of the horizontal line, and drawing up or down as needed.  


RB

Thanks for the comments and suggestions guys and the following discussion, very useful. Back to th drawing board as they say. Lee