V-Vocal Question: Change reference pitches?

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2011/05/21 14:06:47 (permalink)

V-Vocal Question: Change reference pitches?

Here's my situation.  I have a talented singer that doesn't really need pitch correction. I have other guys in the band that we want to use for backing vocals (to have different voices bring a different texture) but we don't have solid pitch.

Is there a way I can use V-Vocal (or anything else) to "detect/copy" the pitches laid down by the good singer and then tighten my crappy vocals to that?  This avoids making our naturally good singer sound like a standard autotuned singer just so the non-singers can do harmony.

To put it another way, instead of the "right" pitches that V-Vocal uses as a reference, can I substitute other pitches for reference (e.g. if my singer consistently sings an A4 15 cents sharp, I can just tell V-Vocal to change it's A4 reference by 15 cents, so I can tighten my vocal track with the autocorrect features and it will pull all my A4s to the 'adjusted' 15 cent note?


Thanks!

post edited by ConcreteGuitarist - 2011/05/21 14:07:56
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    Re:V-Vocal Question: Change reference pitches? 2011/05/21 18:36:06 (permalink)
    Hello again, Concrete - This is an interesting post.  There are several things that occur to me:

    --When using V-Vocal, you're not stuck with correcting pitches exactly on the money.  Never let the plug-in automatically correct pitches for you, because it's apt to make all sorts of choices you don't want.  Note by note, you drag a note sharp or flat as much as you want to.

    --Bitflipper consistently writes the best info about V-Vocal.  You would do well to look up his previous posts, and we can hope he sees this thread and contributes to it.

    --Your lead singer that sounds good may indeed be a bit sharp here and there - that doesn't matter.   What you hear is of course what matters.  But it wouldn't do at all to attempt making everyone flat in the same way - then you'd be drawing attention to that sharpness, and it would probably then stick out, provided your instruments are tuned well.  Pitch is all relative - If it's "close enough for jazz" it's fine. 

    --Having a slight difference in pitch between a group of singers is part of the richness of natural voices.  Even the best singers in the world are rarely, if ever, exactly on pitch.  So don't worry about making everyone hit notes in exactly the same way.  In fact, if you Did manage to pitch correct everyone in the same way, your sound would be thinner - it would sound like fewer people.  Really - it would.

    --But no, you can't adjust V-Vocal's notes in the way you're talking about.  But that's not an issue if you really follow my advice and never let the plug-in auto-correct anything.

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    Re:V-Vocal Question: Change reference pitches? 2011/05/22 09:09:08 (permalink)
    You could do it by eye.  Open a v-vocal session for your good singer in the parts you want to pitch correct your backup singers.  Then without doing any pitch editing on the good singer, just look and see where the good singer is on the graph, maybe take a screen shot of it.  Then open V-vocals on the backing singers and adjust their pitch to match where the good singer is.  

    I've never actually tried this, so as Randy has said, this might do the opposite of what you want, and actually make what was a subtle pitch deviation sung by the good singer stand out more and become unpleasant to listen to.  
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