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2013/07/20 01:10:45 (permalink)

V-Vocal Question

I've made corrections in a couple of vocal tracks with V-Vocal.  Consequently, I've got quite a few V-Vocal clips.  I've noticed, if I remove V-Vocal, the clip(s) is(are) reverted back to its (their) original recording which would need pitch correction.  I thought if I froze the tracks, paste it in a new audio track, and it would be good.  I could have done something wrong but it seems to me, I am unable to add FX (such as reverb) or adjust EQ settings in the frozen track.  Is this true?  If so, how would make a corrected track (from V-Vocal) so I can use as if is a normal audio track so I can "turn off" the V-Vocal?  I was wondering about the "bounce" option, too.

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    paulo
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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/20 06:06:07 (permalink)
    RA1222
    I've made corrections in a couple of vocal tracks with V-Vocal.  Consequently, I've got quite a few V-Vocal clips.  I've noticed, if I remove V-Vocal, the clip(s) is(are) reverted back to its (their) original recording which would need pitch correction.  I thought if I froze the tracks, paste it in a new audio track, and it would be good.  I could have done something wrong but it seems to me, I am unable to add FX (such as reverb) or adjust EQ settings in the frozen track.  Is this true?  If so, how would make a corrected track (from V-Vocal) so I can use as if is a normal audio track so I can "turn off" the V-Vocal?  I was wondering about the "bounce" option, too.


    No need to freeze tracks - when you're done with editing your clip, select "bounce to clip". This will render your edits to the clip and also close v-vocal - you really don't want to have to many open instances at once. Your original clip is still underneath the "new" one, but muted, so it's still there for another go if you later decide that you made a mess of your edits.

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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/20 11:46:38 (permalink)
    When you freeze a track, you have the option to also freeze any effects along with it. Go to the freeze options and un-check the "Track FX" option before freezing. Or, if you've frozen a track that didn't have any effects on it at the time it was frozen, just right-click the FX bin and un-check the "Bypass Bin" option.
     
    Paulo is correct in suggesting that you don't need to freeze the track to commit V-Vocal clips to audio. Bounce to Clip(s) will do the trick. The original clip will be retained in case you change your mind later and want to undo the bounce. However, if you do decide to copy to a new audio track that's completely legit, too. I would suggest in that case that you archive the original tracks and maybe hide them as well.


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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/20 12:26:19 (permalink)
    Paulo and Bitflipper, thanks for the input.  This will be very helpful.

    Was still a very green Sonar 8 Producer Edition user when graduating to a very green Sonar X1 Expanded user.  Now, upgraded to Sonar X3c from X2 (but never had the time to get proficient with it.)
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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/21 21:05:36 (permalink)
    Just to clarify... No matter what edits or changes you made to a clip, "Bounce To Clips" makes them permanent, including any FX that were "applied" to it. FX in the FX Bin will not be applied.
     
    You can select an individual clip within a track or you can select the entire track, which will transform all the clips within a track into a single clip.
     
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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/22 18:37:46 (permalink)
    Just a general tip...I have really good luck with V-Vocal but I do only manual correction where I move a few notes around.
     
    Also FWIW, I've been able to generate harmonies from a vocal using V-Vocal, and eliminating the unnatural timbre by using the Formant modification option. When the harmony is layered behind the main vocal, it sounds totally fine.
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    Re: V-Vocal Question 2013/07/23 06:01:53 (permalink)
    Thanks Craig. That was very informantive.
     
    I've only started using V-Vocal and didn't know what that button was for. The HELP is not much help either.
    Now I can make myself sound like Darth or Alvin without changing the pitch or speed of a clip.
     
    I can also correct my vocals to sound like they should when I DO change the pitch.
     
    I would think this would also be cool on non-vocal (instrument) audio as well, making for some interesting variations on bass and drum tracks.
     
    Steve
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