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V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
I never had the V-Vocal crash in 8.5.3....now I can't get it to work at all. It just crashes with this every time I attempt to invoke it: Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: SONARPDR.exe Application Version: 18.0.1.197 Application Timestamp: 4d0900d5 Fault Module Name: SONARPDR.exe Fault Module Version: 18.0.1.197 Fault Module Timestamp: 4d0900d5 Exception Code: c0000005 Exception Offset: 00000000000cd2e1 OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.48 Locale ID: 2057 Additional Information 1: a727 Additional Information 2: a727cd64ac9c62be1e3b2cbd2153f538 Additional Information 3: ed34 Additional Information 4: ed3475e55e681acca4592b4e2578f144 Reported: CWBRN-3771 And how do you get the Control Panel back at the top/...mine's just dark grey now with the Now time counter in black being the only thing visible on it.... After starting to like I am now growing to hate X1 - How can a software company put software this BROKEN on the market and expect to get away with it? When is it going to work as advertised? I believe it is broken enough to contravene the Sale of Goods Act here in the UK as it is not fit for purpose.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/01 19:24:29
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Twigman
After starting to like I am now growing to hate X1 - How can a software company put software this BROKEN on the market and expect to get away with it?
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Sorry for your problem.. I mean, "unexpected results"... Shhhhh....but please continue here, the new fanboy forum credo is "Be positive or shut up". http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2182431
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/01 19:28:19
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X1 may look pretty but if it doesn't work it's a piece of crap.
It TOTALLY FAILS to deliver what it CLAIMS TO BE CAPABLE OF.
Why couldn't Cakewalk have waited until it actually worked before releasing it?
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/01 19:31:56
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Twigman
After starting to like I am now growing to hate X1 - How can a software company put software this BROKEN on the market and expect to get away with it?
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Sorry for your problem.. I mean, "unexpected results"... Shhhhh....but please continue here, the new fanboy forum credo is "Be positive or shut up".
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2182431
Shut up is definitely the mantra of 2010. Then it is followed by a healthy bit of "I don't understand I why I am here". We are at a very sad stage in human evolution.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/01 19:33:18
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Their very last chance is the X1b patch. If they screw this up too, they either give me a refund or X1 is on ebay. I´m pissed.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 03:14:38
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Do you have X1a? I've used V-Vocal without incident on vocals and bass, but didn't try it with the initial X1 release.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 03:19:43
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I'm not experiencing that behavior.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 03:30:33
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 03:47:25
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Twigman...
Can you give an example situation? Or just a description what you where doing when the crash occurred?
If we can reproduce the problem there is at least an point where we can start to find out what went wrong. At this moment no one seems to have your problem, so maybe there is something wrong in your set-up. Maybe some plug-in that is going mad or something?
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 05:50:35
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I start to wonder what is common to people having crashes with V-vocal.
Are there other stuff installed that is not properly installed where it should be creating conflicts in the system or similar. I'm thinking installing their own runtime libraries locally instead of checking shared locations, so if one app/plugin is started before the other there may be old versions loaded instead of latest versions etc.
It scares the **** out of me to even try V-Vocal. That helpless feeling when things are lost and you wonder how much do I have to redo.
It must be hundreds of reports to Cake about V-Vocal problems, and it would be good if a list of different solution are published for everybody to read. So that not everybody has to start from scratch trying to narrow down what is wrong.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 06:14:47
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most people bounce to clip after they have used v-vocal..
it's an inefficient workaround.. but prevents crashes..
other people moved to melodyne, which works really good and gives vocals a more natural flavour.. v-vocal can be a bit "digital", which can be great on some vocal tracks as well though..
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 06:25:33
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As soon as i try to make a V-Vocal clip , screen goes white SONAR locks up and I have to close it with taask manager.
now using a new product form iZotope called Nectar. does the job perfect and its a version 1.01 product. It has about 11 different functions that are specifiacally made to work with vocals.
i don't use any SONAR plugins anymore.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:13:18
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My crash occurs when I create a V-vocal clip.
My audio clip is about 3 seconds long.
I select Create V-vocal Clip and the V-vocal UI comes up then the screen goes white and dumps the crash in the opening post.
EVERY TIME.
I really don't want to have to fork out for Melodyne (is it x64 yet?)...but fear I may have to.
Why can't Sonar do what it says on the tin?
What with this and the AS bug, 2 major selling points of this software just DO NOT WORK.....it's all marketing hype and lies!
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:19:16
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:24:09
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Supercomposer
Twigman
After starting to like I am now growing to hate X1 - How can a software company put software this BROKEN on the market and expect to get away with it?
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Sorry for your problem.. I mean, "unexpected results"... Shhhhh....but please continue here, the new fanboy forum credo is "Be positive or shut up".
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2182431
Heh, you notice that too? ;) As if things change when people are complacent. Hmm...
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:27:58
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Anderton
Do you have X1a? I've used V-Vocal without incident on vocals and bass, but didn't try it with the initial X1 release.
Craig, I think it's clear that some people are doing really well (workflow perhaps) and some not. It's not that X1 is crap - I'm sure of that. But it is buggy -- depending on what you use and how. I think it would serve us all better if we realize we all do have different workflows and may stumble upon bugs others don't. It's normal ... I know you know that. I am at a point where I really / honestly / and sincerly want to use X1 but can't for various reasons (bugs). I know CW is sincere and they will use their good efforts to resolve many of the problems (never all, that's asking too much) ... but some people really are struggling. I'm one. And I know as you do that some of it is just educating use. Some is not though. There really are some serious bugs goin' on.
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Twigman
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:32:34
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and yes it is X1A - Notice in the opening post
Application Version: 18.0.1.197
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JClosed
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 07:55:09
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I tried V-Vocal; on several clips, samples and recordings I made, but it does not seem to crash.
Weird it does crash for you. But - for me it is not at all marketing hype and lies. I can understand how you feel, but getting angry is no solution - better try to get everything working. The latter certainly feels better, wont you agree?
Now - it could be handy to have some information at what Windows version and software you are using. I think it is a good idea to - just like lfm said - to find out why it crashes on one system and not on another. It could be a combination of the Windows version(XP/Vista/"7" - 32/64 bit), installed software, plugin's or even protection software e.g. authorising hardware(iLock or something)/drivers etc., etc....
Just an idea.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:01:25
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What could allow VVocal to work in both SONAR 8.3 & 8.5 in both 32 & 64 bit versions on the same PC but in X1a not work. WIN 7 Home Premium x64.
I'm open to suggestions.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:02:37
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Ok so project has: 3 instances of Kontakt 4.1.3 running EEG Strawberry and 2 instruments from the NI factory bank - both saxes 3 instances of Battery 3.1.1 - 1 using a factory kit - the other 2 my own samples 2 instances of Guitar rig pro 4.1.1 2 instances of DimensionPro 1.5 1 instance of PSP Vintage Warmer all 64 bit versions 7 instances of ReFx Nexus 1.4.1 2 instances of Perfect Space both via BitBridge several instances of Sonitus EQ several active ProChannels A VX64(is that what it's called?) vocal strip several percussion strips (the one that comes with X1/8.5 - I forget its name) 5 vocal audio tracks 1 audio bass track Running Windows 7 x64 Pro fully updated. No dongles
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:18:27
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Hmmm... I have heard BitBridge does some weird things now and then. That´s why a lot of people use Jbridge now. I wonder if this is the problem...
Better break everything down to a single culprit..
Sadly I do not have a Windows 7 - 64bit machine at this moment. I will look around if I can find a spare hard disk and install the 30-day version of Win7 - 64 bit, and going to see under what circumstances V-Vocal crashes. I am afraid it will take some time
however.. I don't think I can do this in the very short term...
Anyway - did you already tried a simple project with only one audio track? If V-Vocal does not crash you can add more and more things (like Kontakt etc.) until you found the "crash" combination. If you don't have time for that I am afraid you have to wait until I have the "64bit" up and running...
This has to be sorted out, and only experimenting can nail the offender.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:26:18
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JClosed
If you don't have time for that I am afraid you have to wait until I have the "64bit" up and running...
I don't have time for that. No BitBridge has always worked perfectly for me with ReFX Nexus and PerfectSpace in 8.5 Are you a Cakewalk tech? Cakewalk should be the people to fix this. Not me, not you (unless you are a CW tech, of course). I would be quite happy to send CW the whole project but I doubt they have all the plugs'n'stuff. I should not have to faff about loading plugs one by one to isolate a problem...the problem should not be there in the first place... I am NOT A BETA TESTER.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:30:53
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Twig, why not try the obvious.
Start by freezing ALL of your synths, then try V-Vocal again.
If it works then, you can start narrowing down the problem by unfreezing synths one at a time and reloading VV each time until you find a culprit.
Long shot I know, but you have to start by eliminating possibilities.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:30:59
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Hi Twig,
I just tested V-Vocal on my Win XP SP3 32bit quad something machine (I forget what it is) and it worked OK.
I'm just passing that on so that you may have some reason to be hopeful that you may be able to work out what is causing your troubles.
Good Luck!
best regards,
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:33:14
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I should not have to faff about loading plugs one by one to isolate a problem...the problem should not be there in the first place... Quite right - but it might be an incompatability with one of the plugs in your project. It could be Kontact, Battery, anything.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:33:41
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I gotta go deliver my Dad's birthday present and take my boys to visit their Gramps right now....I'l try Bristol jonesy's suggestion tonight...if nothing else works I should be able to retune the vocal clips in 8.5 and re-import them - which is what I did when i needed to AS quantise.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 08:36:28
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No Twigman, I am certainly not CW - sorry  But I do some testing for programs (Linux development), and have some spare hardware (and sometimes some spare time) that I can use. I do not mind to spend some time finding out what goes wrong here. I do not want to be bitten by this bug in the future, so I like to know what combination of things to avoid. I don't think I am doing the work for CW. I just try to keep a clean system. It is pure selfish really.... 
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 09:00:49
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Just to confirm that V/V works fine here on X1A Win XP 32bit
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 09:04:30
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Exception c0000005 errors can be horrible to track down. Have a google on it; you'll find people getting them from Excel and even Notepad. Sometimes it's a problem with the app itself, sometimes not.
The core issue is that the application is trying to access memory that it isn't currently allowed to. This can have lots of causes, from bad memory modules, to malware to dodgy drivers. Which are all things that can be investigated and fixed, but may not solve your problem.
This is definitely a case where it's worth sending in a proper bug report along with the project file for the people at Cakewalk to diagnose for you.
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Re:V-Vocal even more broken in X1 than 8.5.3
2011/01/02 09:11:38
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JClosed
Hmmm... I have heard BitBridge does some weird things now and then. That´s why a lot of people use Jbridge now. I wonder if this is the problem...
Better break everything down to a single culprit..
Sadly I do not have a Windows 7 - 64bit machine at this moment. I will look around if I can find a spare hard disk and install the 30-day version of Win7 - 64 bit, and going to see under what circumstances V-Vocal crashes. I am afraid it will take some time
however.. I don't think I can do this in the very short term...
Anyway - did you already tried a simple project with only one audio track? If V-Vocal does not crash you can add more and more things (like Kontakt etc.) until you found the "crash" combination. If you don't have time for that I am afraid you have to wait until I have the "64bit" up and running...
This has to be sorted out, and only experimenting can nail the offender.
VVocal is actually a DX plugin that is built in and shared across all currently installed versions of SONAR. It does not have any connection to Bitbridge or jBridge of any kind. In my case I have a project file 1 vocal track, nothing elks no plugins of any sort. Doesn't matter waht I do as soo as I select the track or part of the clip and select create VVocal clip The screen goes to white and never recovers. I close SONAR X1a down via the task manger process end. i open up sonar 8.3 or 8.5 X86 or x64 and the same vocal track and enable VVocal create VVocal clip and it does I can edit muck arounfd all I want and it works fine. now these dlls are shared across the 32bit versions and across the 64 bit versions of SONAR on any given machine. What is in X1a that causes this problem. just one of many inexplicable issues with X1a
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