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2014/01/12 09:11:27 (permalink)

V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help

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Having a wee bit of a problem with the pitch to MIDI function in V-Vocal which I'm hoping one of you fine folks can help me out with. 
 
I'm currently mixing a track for someone else and the kick drum is a bit 'clicky'. It's quite a strange rhythm and I don't have the skills to re-create as a MIDI myself, so thought I'd give this feature a go. This is what I'm doing and what I'm getting:
 
- selecting the drum track and creating the V-Vocal clip
- automatically opens up V-Vocal, I then select all the hits (ctrl-A), right mouse button and 'pitch to MIDI'
- I drag the icon on the bottom right of V-Vocal labelled 'pitch to MIDI' (displayed by hover text) and drag it up, dropping it in the track view, creating a new track
- when I open the PRV for this MIDI track, it has one or two MIDI hits, nothing more. 
 
I've ctrl-A all MIDI hits and dragged them out wider to make sure they weren't so small I couldn't see them, but nothing!
 
Any advice greatly appreciated. Thanks :)

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 09:33:30 (permalink)
Try boosting the volume of the track first and then see if it works. VV has a habit of missing things that are quieter. Melodyne does this very well, but as you're not using that I guess the X3 included version doesn't have that feature ?
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 13:09:17 (permalink)
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Try boosting the volume of the track first and then see if it works. VV has a habit of missing things that are quieter. Melodyne does this very well, but as you're not using that I guess the X3 included version doesn't have that feature ?


Thanks for the idea but no such luck. Over 5 mins worth of kick & it still only pulls through a couple of notes.

Read about Melodyne being able to do it, but it's only Essential with X3 so no such function unfortunately.

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 13:19:03 (permalink)
Longshot here, but scroll up or down in the PRV to make sure some of the hits were not somehow falling on notes out of range of the instrument.  Your mention that the drums are kind of clicky, makes me suspect it is possible V-vocal may be detecting them as a higher pitch
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 17:38:16 (permalink)
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Longshot here, but scroll up or down in the PRV to make sure some of the hits were not somehow falling on notes out of range of the instrument.  Your mention that the drums are kind of clicky, makes me suspect it is possible V-vocal may be detecting them as a higher pitch


Thanks, but tried that too already. Even set the MIDI track via BFD to hear any other hits but only got the 2 random ones. Driving me insane now!

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 17:53:42 (permalink)
Is it possible for you to share the file with us?
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 17:53:45 (permalink)
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Longshot here, but scroll up or down in the PRV to make sure some of the hits were not somehow falling on notes out of range of the instrument.  Your mention that the drums are kind of clicky, makes me suspect it is possible V-vocal may be detecting them as a higher pitch


Thanks, but tried that too already. Even set the MIDI track via BFD to hear any other hits but only got the 2 random ones. Driving me insane now!



If you put the wav up somewhere that I can download it, I'll try running it through melodyne for you and see if that works.
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 18:31:59 (permalink)
Audio Snap also does audio-to-midi. Found it even better for drums than V-Vocal.
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/12 19:16:05 (permalink)
+1 for Audio Snap.

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 08:27:22 (permalink)
Again, thanks for the help guys, it is really appreciated!
 
I'll give AudioSnap a blast and see how I get on, I'll let you know.
 
The file can be downloaded from here:
 
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6t9fr3
 
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 09:28:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CPFC1985 2014/01/13 15:48:18
make the clip a region fx - melodyne. (i have the stock one that ships w/sonar).
 
create a new midi track.
 
click-drag the clip to the midi track. 
 
worked for me...

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 11:51:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby CPFC1985 2014/01/13 15:48:11
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make the clip a region fx - melodyne. (i have the stock one that ships w/sonar).
 
create a new midi track.
 
click-drag the clip to the midi track. 
 
worked for me...




Yup, works for me too and on the OP's clip as well, couldn't be much easier, but he said this is not possible with the included version so I assumed it was because I have editor version, but it seems from your experience that it is possible after all.
 
@CPFC1985 The only extra step I had to do for your particular clip was to drag the midi data down to the right place on the drum map for the particular drum synth I used to test it. (lasso, then SHIFT / click drag)
 
 
 
 
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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 12:17:01 (permalink)
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make the clip a region fx - melodyne. (i have the stock one that ships w/sonar).
 
create a new midi track.
 
click-drag the clip to the midi track. 
 
worked for me...


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make the clip a region fx - melodyne. (i have the stock one that ships w/sonar).
 
create a new midi track.
 
click-drag the clip to the midi track. 
 
worked for me...




Yup, works for me too and on the OP's clip as well, couldn't be much easier, but he said this is not possible with the included version so I assumed it was because I have editor version, but it seems from your experience that it is possible after all.
 
@CPFC1985 The only extra step I had to do for your particular clip was to drag the midi data down to the right place on the drum map for the particular drum synth I used to test it. (lasso, then SHIFT / click drag)
 
 
 
 





Ahhhh, what a fool I am. Thanks guys, I had read elsewhere this functionality wasn't present, lesson learnt, don't believe everything you read! Will give this a whirl during the week

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 14:07:13 (permalink)
FWIW, what you don't get with the included version of Melodyne Essentials is the ability to drag & drop to a MIDI track using polyphonic detection - that's reserved for the Editor version. 
 

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Re: V-Vocal - pitch to MIDI help 2014/01/13 14:36:20 (permalink)
Melodyne worked for me too, but like some others i have Editor.  It should work in essential though since this is not polyphonic.  What I got in V-vocal was bizarre.  It assigned the hits to different pitches.
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