V-Vocal vs Melodyne

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2005/10/11 16:23:02 (permalink)

V-Vocal vs Melodyne

Don't have S5 yet so can't test it, but can
someone tell me how is v-vocal in S5 comparable with Melodyne.
Is is as good as Melodyne?
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    BluerecordingStudios
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 16:29:39 (permalink)
    As good as melodyne, better in some ways of working. For melodyne you must exporting audio to melodynes application {ReWire of this soft is piece of crap}. V Vocal is easy to use, simply click clip, add V Vocal. When you dont want it later, just uncheck box on clip and VVocal disappears. It is that smart
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    verby
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 18:15:40 (permalink)
    looks like it's worth it to upgrade just for v-vocal.
    in melodyne i had to always export-inport, and if you work with lots of vocals
    that's not too much fun.
    How is the quality, anyone ?
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 19:24:39 (permalink)
    Melodyne is more powerful but not as user-friendly.

    You can't extract midi data from audio with V-Vocal.

    All in all, V-Vocal adds tremendous value to S5 but I ain't ditching my copy of Melodyne.

    Melodyne 3 will be out soon and it looks quite impressive.
    post edited by MKS - 2005/10/11 19:33:08

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 19:32:02 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: verby

    How is the quality, anyone ?



    Still, haven't seen anyone mentioning anything about the quality ... I get from the responses that it's easier to use.

    Thanks,

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 19:50:48 (permalink)
    Umm.....

    Hasn't this been covered already in at least two or three other threads?

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 20:07:20 (permalink)
    V-Vocal is cool. It sounds good and is easy to use. Melodyne darn near costs as much as SONAR so I would expect it to do more however it is not worth it for me.
    post edited by bobleft - 2005/10/11 20:52:12
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 21:42:33 (permalink)
    have both really like V-Vocal it works well with Sonar, the keyboard short cuts are familar to me. Its well intergrated, I can apply it just to a small clip or to longer clip or mulitple clips, I can maximaize it to fill screen or I can make it smaller and go between trackview and V-Vocal windows, allso play back and looping is shared between Sonar and V-Vocal, plus I have a controll surface and I can loop and set playback from controll surface to increase workflow. I use both vvocal and melodyne in a song the other day mainly to test and see if I could but they worked well together. Of the two I prfer V-Vocal but I would not have melodyne either, there some cool thing it can do, plus I dont know all I need to know about either product, so that may change V-Vocal seems easier to me but....... To Be Continued!
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/11 22:05:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: chaz

    Umm.....

    Hasn't this been covered already in at least two or three other threads?




    Yeah. but not enough. I been on the fence 'bout Melodyne for months and I've read 'bout every thread on this site 'bout it that a feler can find. Now that V-Vocal is here, I gots to have more information!

    I'm a figuring that for a while, this topic will be right up there with converting MIDI to audio ummhuuuuh


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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/12 04:36:03 (permalink)
    Vvocal is as good as melodyne in quality of pitch correction, formants, etc. Therefore melodyne is much expensive for what they can do. I think most people on the profession using AT or VVocal now rather than melodyne.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/12 10:53:53 (permalink)
    There was a really good thread where the guy compared V Vocal and Melodyne head to head and found artifacts in V Vocal which were not found in Melodyne.
    Since I'm from the school that you should know how to hit notes if you're going to be a singer, which despite my limited voice I can do, I'm more interested in crafting harmony parts than correcting my singing.
    I have an old Alesis Vocalist I've been thinking about dragging out of mothballs for harmoney but I'm extremely interested in V Vocal as a harmonizer.
    The other thing I'm most interested in is transposing vocals higher in pitch so I can get some of the great James Labrie high note stuff going on.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/12 11:18:05 (permalink)
    Plus Melodyne has a monster upgrade coming out, I feel Melodyne is superior sonicly, but as has been said, it is not user friendly.

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/13 08:04:14 (permalink)
    Possibly a stupid question (coming from the fact that I don't have Sonar 5 to play with), but -

    From what I hear, V-Vocal is tightly integrated into Sonar 5. Is V-Vocal a cross-app plugin? What I'm getting at here is: when Sonar 6 comes out, will V-Vocal come with that, or can we use the current V-Vocal in S6, or will we have to export our audio into Sonar 5?
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/13 08:23:46 (permalink)
    there a new kid on the block look awesome and knowing Waves it probally is http://aes.harmony-central.com/119AES/Content/Waves/PR/Tune-DeBreath.html I like the lines it very easy to read and see what notes are playing, Gui is very nice I guess vocal tuning is here to stay
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 01:07:41 (permalink)
    I have V-Vocal and Melodyne

    1.Easy of use- the winner is V-Vocal, because is integrated, like a plug in FX
    2.Sound- Melodyne is the winner, have less artifacts , V-vocal is good for voices, but i dont like for a bass, a sax, a flute, and others, its better Melodyne.

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 05:43:07 (permalink)
    I prefer Melodyne Uno for now. I just "get it", and find it's very easy to get natural sounds out of it. I'm fumbling my way around V-Vocal and find it tends to create a phrasing that sounds like it's been tuned. I'm sure it's very powerful and transparent and just need to play with it more...

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 06:52:59 (permalink)
    When I try AT, Melodyne and VVocal, the Melodyne had worst sound. On every tone you can hear pitch correction and you can nothing to do with it. Piece of crap as I posts many times on this forum. AT still in top of the line.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/14 07:03:46 (permalink)
    I have both Melodyne Studio 2 & Sonar 5. I also have the Ueberschall Liquid Sax Series & waiting on the Liquid Bass, along with others which are incredible pieces of Software. With the new Version of M.dyne,,, "3", it will let you use all those within one another making it one heck of a Musical Sculpting Software Suite....The new M.dyne is supposed to of enhanced the user inteface a 10 fold & it is a very high quality program.... I just don't see how you can compare the 2 other than the pitch correction which as Rallen stated,,,, ultimately you do takes until the take is right & then after all fails, you use a tool to assist rather than be the reason a take sounds good & right! I too came up in the School of thinking that you practice, practice, practice, then do takes until you got it right...... Even if that means coming back after resting! JMHO Wildman

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 08:19:37 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: BluerecordingStudios

    When I try AT, Melodyne and VVocal, the Melodyne had worst sound. On every tone you can hear pitch correction and you can nothing to do with it. Piece of crap as I posts many times on this forum. AT still in top of the line.


    melodyne Studio 3 can work with more than monophonic sounds....Melodyne 2.6 is studio favoutrite.

    Tempo match audio
    Extract midi from audio
    Quantize Audio
    Build harmonies
    Work beyond this historic limitation of monophonic sounds.
    Work with mutiple tracks in one window.

    The downside is the integration with Sonar has been a bit fumbly.

    V Vocal I believe cannot do the above either at all or without fumbly.

    So the advantage of V-Vocal is less fumbly ...If you like quick dirty and less fumbly V-Vocal may be you top tool. Melodyne is the app. auto-tune (PACE) ...never tried or heard it. Although I have heard it can be good, but I have heard of hassle with it in a DAW set up



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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 10:11:24 (permalink)
    I have AutoTune 3.0 and Melodyne 2.6; I am awaiting my Sonar 5 shipment and will test the V-Vocal against these other two soon.

    In terms of quality, I don't think that there is any question that Melodyne is better than AT. Its interface is very hard for newbies, however, and the fact that you have to open it as a separate application in most cases is not a plus. So, if the V-Vocal can do the same thing easily in Sonar and sounds about the same, we may have a new winner.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 10:29:47 (permalink)
    get a v-synth with the vocal FX card you looooosers - j/k
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 10:38:34 (permalink)
    AT is designet for one thing - pitch correction. And for this I used them. If I want harmonies, I call some good vocalist, because creating harmony with melodyne is really last of last option. It sounds like other voices are sings by robots. If I want quantize audio, do it myself, because it is not possible to do it with soft if souce wave is out of metronome. For tempo match use VVocal, better results. You cannot pitch polyphonic dude... This is only advertisment of melodyne developers.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 17:18:58 (permalink)
    Melodyne Uno leaves AutoTune in the dust. imho.

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 17:21:31 (permalink)
    I'll second that one.
    ORIGINAL: zentatonic

    Melodyne Uno leaves AutoTune in the dust. imho.

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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne or Waves? 2005/10/14 17:41:30 (permalink)
    Many ears are better than one, evaluate who is the winner.
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/14 18:37:33 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: rallenjones
    I'm more interested in crafting harmony parts than correcting my singing.


    I'm interested in this too. Anyone using Melodyne or VVocal for harmonies?


    edit: man I can't spell.....
    post edited by Leighton - 2005/10/14 18:46:01
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    RE: V-Vocal vs Melodyne 2005/10/14 19:42:14 (permalink)
    Don't have S5 yet so can't test it, but can
    someone tell me how is v-vocal in S5 comparable with Melodyne.
    Is is as good as Melodyne?


    This probably won't answer your question directly, because I haven't used Melodyne, but having used V-Vocal and having come up with great results quickly that you can audition insitu, I have no desire or inclination to mess with Melodyne or AT or whatever whiz-bang thing that Waves is doing. A lot of this is a simple "bang for the buck" calculation, because it makes WAY too much sense to use what has been handed to you on a silver platter vs. something else that you pay a pile for marginally better results via a lot more effort.

    I'm not really a bad vocalist, but let's just say it really isn't my strong suit. When looking at my pitches in V-Vocal, I'm a bit chagrined at how much they wander. I had the same kind of "consciousness raising" way back in 1982 when I first started using Cakewalk V 1.1 and saw how far ahead of the beat I was playing everything.
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