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Valhalla Room
So...I've had this demo for quite a bit...and the others too. Basically since the plate version came out. I like this the best. Here's what's happening... I can just slap it on a FX buss and it works great. Basically no tweaking. Maybe the tail length a little. However, I put a variety of different reverbs, and although NONE (to me) sound as good initially, I can tweak them, use EQ, etc and they can come very close for my needs. For that reason, I'm cheap and haven't spent the $50 bucks. Also because I'm buying other stuff and the wallet can endure so much....and another reverb is a whole topic. People rave about this reverb. I like it...but in a mix, the others seem to be cutting it. What gives? Bad ears,..?.. Valhalla just sounds too good out of the gate?,...I'm trying to convince myself?? IDK...I think I should just blow the 50 bucks and be done with it... Then...what to buy next!!! :-D
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 00:07:39
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mixmkr IDK...I think I should just blow the 50 bucks and be done with it...
That's your answer right there, there will be no regret. mixmkr Then...what to buy next!!! :-D
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 11:54:09
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I am a longtime fan/proponent of VRoom, and more recently, VPlate. But let me try and set the rah-rahs aside and put it into practical perspective. It basically comes down to the length of the reverb tail and how up-front the effect is. The shorter the decay, the less difference you notice from one reverb to the next. The louder the wet signal, the more differences you become aware of. The brighter the wet signal, the more likely you are to hear artifacts in less-capable reverbs. Many of VRoom's rave reviews come from guys who love to drench spacey, ambient electronica in lush reverb. That's a demanding test because the effect is front and center. VRoom does well in that scenario, holding its own against far more expensive alternatives. For many, that's enough justification to hand over the fifty bucks. But ambient electronica isn't my thing. Sure, sometimes a lead instrument benefits from a long, juicy reverb tail. More often, my goal is to make the reverb transparent. By "transparent", I don't mean inaudible. I mean the effect fattens the sound but the listener can't actually point to the reverb as the reason for the fattening. The more subtle the effect, the less obvious the advantages of one reverb over another. At some point between in-yer-face and a whisper of air, it won't matter anymore which reverb you're using. But with VRoom you don't worry about where that cutoff is, because you'll know it'll do fine at any point along that continuum.
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mixmkr
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 12:36:27
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thx Bit. That clarifies much. I totally agree with you thoughts and personally, sometimes I like to totally immerse a solo instrument in the Taj Mahal. That's why I was saying that in a mix, the choices aren't so important, but more so, Valhalla sounds so good immediately without doing much at all, if any tweaking. And yes, I've been struggling more when I have that totally soaked instrument and end up searching for something with a convolution type reverb usually. When it IS "front and center", it's a hard task. I've found with the demos of Valhalla...I just use it. I think when the wife is calmed after the holidays, I'll move on it. I just got her two nice winter coats and a nice Christmas, so I'm on her good side (which I'm usually on 100% anyway! )
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 12:46:21
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Thanks Bit! That was a great short course on verb. My biggest problem with the Vroom and Vplate is they are right in the $50 area where because they are cheap for a good reverb I don't prioritize them and When there's nothing else I'm saving for I don't have $50. Too cheap to get in a hurry and no sales don't knock me off the fence and too expensive when all I have is chump change.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 13:58:12
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BassDaddy Thanks Bit! That was a great short course on verb. My biggest problem with the Vroom and Vplate is they are right in the $50 area where because they are cheap for a good reverb I don't prioritize them and When there's nothing else I'm saving for I don't have $50. Too cheap to get in a hurry and no sales don't knock me off the fence and too expensive when all I have is chump change.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 14:09:04
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 20:01:58
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A little off topic, but I have found that calculating decays so that they're done before the onset of the next beat goes a long way to making reverb work better in a mix. So work out how many ms in one beat of your tempo and set the decay to that, subtracting any predelay you have from the decay time. Of course rules are there to be broken but especially where busier mixes are concerned, this works pretty well for me.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 20:48:41
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great tip sharke. I keep meaning to print out a tempo versus milliseconds...for delay repeats, etc. But I always just twiddle till it sounds good.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 21:32:39
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I do that, too, but not with a calculator. No, I'm not going to claim to be able to do it by ear all the time. If I ever had golden ears, they've been long gone since sometime in the 90's. Fortunately, a close examination of any percussive or vocal waveform will easily tell you if the reverb tail is too long, because you can literally see the hits/phrases running into one another. Not so easy to do on a non-percussive track such as a synth pad, but those aren't critical anyway.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/26 22:45:07
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bitflipper Not so easy to do on a non-percussive track such as a synth pad, but those aren't critical anyway.
There must be a joke in there somewhere.... like tossing the accordion into the dumpster, etc...
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 09:50:22
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You mean the one about the guy who left his accordion on the back seat of his car and forgot to lock the doors. When he returned, there were two accordions. Actually, I like pads. I didn't mean that pads aren't critical (OK, usually they aren't), but that the lengths of their reverb tails aren't.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 10:11:53
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Talking about pads, do check out MegaMagic Pads at pluginguru.com, made by John Lemkuhl of Korg pads fame. Amazingly lush with reverb baked in. Just bought them. One package works for Omnisphere2, Kontakt5, Reason, EXS24 and Serum.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 12:18:37
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bitflipper You mean the one about the guy who left his accordion on the back seat of his car and forgot to lock the doors. When he returned, there were two accordions. Actually, I like pads. I didn't mean that pads aren't critical (OK, usually they aren't), but that the lengths of their reverb tails aren't.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 12:45:55
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 12:57:47
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Fleer ... Flour
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 13:14:28
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 13:35:53
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clintmartin Yes, since it will never go on sale...what's the hurry? You may try that new free u-he protoverb. https://www.u-he.com/cms/179-protoverb
wow Clint. I'm restraining on loading back up on free stuff, but I like this one. I'm not fond that when you change presets it defaults like it's in series with the source, by ramping up the "dry" signal again, but it only takes a sec to turn that back off, when in a buss. The "cathedral" is especially nice and some nice subtle room sounds if used sparingly. Might hold me till I scrape up 50 bucks.... but LFO tool is waiting in the wings too. That might happen first.
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 13:36:55
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Bit... perfect pitch... ?? the accordion not hitting the dumpster sides from 20ft away...!
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 16:34:38
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mixmkr Bit... perfect pitch... ?? the accordion not hitting the dumpster sides from 20ft away...!
LOL!!
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 16:53:45
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Valhalla Room is a great reverb....its strength, as bitflipper said, is the long, lush verb...I use Valhalla Room on almost every project. But I mostly use the Plates and Gated settings. The short reverbs. The trick is to set the Pre Delay....setup the reverb and adjust the Pre Delay slider until you find the sweet spot. Another trick I use is to send a vocal to a Delay with only one or two repeats, then I send the Delay signal to the Valhalla. It gives the vocal a ghostly ambient reverb that kind of follows the dry signal and gives it some room. One last thing that very few people mention....EQing the reverb....alot of reverbs tend to add quite a bit of low end, or mids or even highs.... (digital delays are notorious for adding esses and attacks )....anyway removing some frequencies will make a reverb sound even better. My 2 cents.....I love Valhalla Room.....
post edited by MGC59 - 2015/12/27 17:07:24
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Re: Valhalla Room
2015/12/27 21:16:11
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I usually hi-pass everything up to about 500Hz before it hits the reverb. And also roll off past 10kHz. If it's a solo part then I may back the hi-pass filter off a bit to around 250-300Hz. If it's a vocal that I've boosted with EQ, I might also attenuate that frequency in the reverb. Also worth experimenting with different widths. I like how Valhalla Plate has a width control. For everything else I insert Channel Tools or the Flux Stereo Tool after the reverb. Sometimes instead of using a mono verb I'll use a stereo reverb with a narrow width, say 20%. I often think mono reverbs sound a little one dimensional. With Channel Tools you can take out some of the mid gain too, which helps maintain the clarity in the center.
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