Velocity hell

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2014/12/17 23:28:47 (permalink)

Velocity hell

In PRV I spend a lot of time messing with velocities. It's so difficult. Has anyone figured out a good way to make velocities easier to edit? Sure, all the functionality is there, but nothing about it is easy. For example, in a piano piece, how can I edit velocities in the melody line in a track and not also edit the left hand part (in the same track)? I can opt to only show velocities on selected notes, but then I can only edit velocities on the entire selection together. The only way to edit individual velocities is to NOT have notes selected, in which case I can't see the melody from the rest of the parts. Also, once the selected velocities are shown, I can't see the un-selected ones at all, so I can't see them in context. Who designed this POS feature? Did anyone test usability on this? SO AGGRAVATING.
 
Sorry for ranting. Anyway, how can I do this more effectively?

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    John
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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/18 00:11:55 (permalink)
    One way is put the left and right on different tracks.

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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/18 00:14:11 (permalink)
    To edit individual notes, I prefer editing the velocity tails rather than using the velocity strip.
    For editing multiple velocities simultaneously, I use the strip.
    For wholesale changes, I use the process menu and sometimes the find/replace filter.

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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/18 00:34:55 (permalink)
    Hover the smart tool cursor over the top of a note in the PRV and you'll see it change to a, um, multi-point curve icon or wi-fi bar strength type thingy. At this point, you can click-drag down or up with the mouse and change the velocity.
    It works on groups of selected notes too. 
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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/18 19:07:37 (permalink)
    You can also write/run CAL scripts to do things, unspeakable things, to velocities.
     
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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/18 22:55:59 (permalink)
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    Hover the smart tool cursor over the top of a note in the PRV and you'll see it change to a, um, multi-point curve icon or wi-fi bar strength type thingy. At this point, you can click-drag down or up with the mouse and change the velocity.
    It works on groups of selected notes too. 



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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/19 04:46:40 (permalink)
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    In PRV I spend a lot of time messing with velocities. It's so difficult. Has anyone figured out a good way to make velocities easier to edit? Sure, all the functionality is there, but nothing about it is easy. For example, in a piano piece, how can I edit velocities in the melody line in a track and not also edit the left hand part (in the same track)? I can opt to only show velocities on selected notes, but then I can only edit velocities on the entire selection together. The only way to edit individual velocities is to NOT have notes selected, in which case I can't see the melody from the rest of the parts. Also, once the selected velocities are shown, I can't see the un-selected ones at all, so I can't see them in context. Who designed this POS feature? Did anyone test usability on this? SO AGGRAVATING.
     
    Sorry for ranting. Anyway, how can I do this more effectively?




     
    1. Take a deep breath and Bre-e-e-a-the. 
    2. Open the controller pane so you see the velocities in that view.
    3. Lasso select all the right hand part notes.
    4. Hold down the Alt key and draw the required velocities in the controller pane.
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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/26 12:10:50 (permalink)
    @FastBikerBoy   Aha, so holding down Alt while changing velocities makes it only work on the selected notes! That's what I needed to know, that's terrific! It makes it so I don't even need to only show velocities for selected notes. Unfortunately, the rectangle-only lasso select still makes things difficult, but it's better than it was. 
     
    Usually the right hand is playing other notes besides just the melody, so I can't simply select the melody, I have to do a lot of Ctrl-clicking on individual notes. And isolating the melody on its own track means I would have to record in an unnatural way. But anyway, thanks, that helps a lot!

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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/26 17:53:28 (permalink)
    Usually the right hand is playing other notes besides just the melody, so I can't simply select the melody, I have to do a lot of Ctrl-clicking on individual notes. And isolating the melody on its own track means I would have to record in an unnatural way. 
     
    FWIW, assuming it's already recorded and you are just tweaking velocities, this is what I would do (especially if the right and left hands don't cross):
    Drag the melody notes in the PRV keyboard down to the left hand and cut/paste into another instance of your piano VST....or better yet, clone the track and delete the left hand notes in the cloned track.
    Then draw the velocities using the velocity controller lane, then (if necessary) tweak individual notes.
    Probably 10 ways to go about this but wanted to throw my 2 cents in. 

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    Re: Velocity hell 2014/12/26 18:17:57 (permalink)
    If the right and left hands don't cross much (that is, they don't play the same noes), you can use the Find/Change command
     
    For example, if most of the left hand is below Middle C (C5), in the Find/Change dialog, you can select all notes from C5 and above to change right-hand velocities, and you can select all notes from C0 to B4 to change the left-hand notes.  Of course, middle C might not be the best split point in your case: that would vary.  You will almost always have a little note-by-note clean up, but you could fix 90% this way and save a lot of time.

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