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Very Basic Mastering Question
mastering prep 1) do I correct all clipping on each track via drawing some gain automation on each track.. routing 1) do I route all tracks to a few busses.. for example.... - kick drum - snare -other drums -guitars & keys -bass -vocs -bg vocs 2) do I apply effects at the bus level.. and set up bus with no instruments where I add some room sound (reverbs) I used to think writing a song was tough.. try writing, tracking, and actually getting that song to sound like you want it to. I've got the writing and tracking down. And I may not end up being the world's best producer/engineer--but it's my way or nothing as the music thing is already too expensive without adding a bunch of pro's in. Thanks
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 10:39:36
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1) I do. 2) I use buses less than I use too. The ability to use multiple efx on each track has deprecated my use of buses. I use a mixture of buses where they still make good sense but more often use effects on tracks that I used to share on buses. 3) That works... but it is no longer as common of a practice as explained in 2. Good Luck! best regards, mike
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 10:58:48
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mastering prep 1) do I correct all clipping on each track via drawing some gain automation on each track.. Irrelevant in a 32 bit floating system PROVIDED you don't clip your master bus.
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Sidroe
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:13:53
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One suggestion comes to mind. This may be old school but, try disabling any reverb effects on individual plugins and set a reverb bus up for the entire instrument tracks. By putting all the instruments thru the bus using the sends on the channels, you are putting all the instruments in the same room. Nothing sounds more fake to me than having the drums in an amphitheatre and the guitars in a closet and the keyboard player in an auditorium. That is what happens when you use ambient effects on individual channels in the FX bin. I use the FX bin to add compression,eq,delays,etc. When it comes to reverbs. I try to make it sound as if the players are in the same space. Just adjust the sends on the channels for how much room sound you want. This is a tried and true technique. May help. I hope.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:15:44
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BTW, Always set up a separate bus for the Vox. It makes it easier to deal with in the mix.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:19:57
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Me again. One more suggestion. Whatever track you are working on at the time try to think like them. Ex-Bass track-Try to think only about what you want to accomplish sound-wise as a bass player. Don't try to get caught up in trying to get everything to gel as you go. Concentrate on the track at hand and move on. It will only start making sense about half way into the tracking process.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:23:12
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+1 on Sidroe's comments. Pretty much the way I like to work.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:29:59
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Be wary of trying to think like a bass player though...
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 11:35:06
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Bass players are OK, late and lazy sometimes, its drummers I've always struggled with
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 12:04:01
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Karyn Be wary of trying to think like a bass player though... Or drink like them
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 12:08:38
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Karyn Be wary of trying to think like a bapu though... How can I do that?
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bapu
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 12:10:11
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DeeringAmps Bass players are OK, late and lazy sometimes, its drummers I've always struggled with What about those noisy buggers (i.e. guitar players)?
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bapu
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 12:14:28
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greenstrat mastering prep 1) do I correct all clipping on each track via drawing some gain automation on each track.. routing 1) do I route all tracks to a few busses.. for example.... - kick drum - snare -other drums -guitars & keys -bass -vocs -bg vocs 2) do I apply effects at the bus level.. and set up bus with no instruments where I add some room sound (reverbs) I used to think writing a song was tough.. try writing, tracking, and actually getting that song to sound like you want it to. I've got the writing and tracking down. And I may not end up being the world's best producer/engineer--but it's my way or nothing as the music thing is already too expensive without adding a bunch of pro's in. Thanks mastering prep 1) yes and sometimes I apply negative gain to the clip/track peak (why keep clipping?) routing 1) yup, that's what I do. makes mixing easier in my book. 2) sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on whether Mic McQ is looking over my shoulder. BTW, woooooooo hooooooo. extra post count for greenstrat!
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DeeringAmps
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 13:09:27
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bapu What about those noisy buggers (i.e. guitar players)? Guilty as charged!
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 13:10:26
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 13:41:12
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Sidroe, Interesting comment about mismatched reverbs. I agree, although listeners have come to hear reverb just as a sound rather than as an emulation of a real space. Using less instead of more reverb keeps you out of a lot of trouble, but there are hit records that sound like the entire band was in a 30 meter tiled room. Back to your original point, I find it weird when a track is going along and suddenly a french horn pops in for three notes, and then a koto comes out of left field followed by didgeridoo. I try to think of an arrangement as being played by a specific ensemble (whether big or small). That ensemble can have a guest soloist who doesn't comp or play rhythm, but not a bunch of random and unrelated sounds. Also, Sidroe, about your comment about thinking like the player: works great when recording studio pros. Not so much with players who don't think about the total arrangement. I have recorded "players," for example, who do solos from start to finish in every song and step all over everybody else. These are the same players who want fader extensions because +6 is not loud enough for their parts.
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bapu
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 13:44:14
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konradh, Not a Spike Jones fan, eh?
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 13:47:34
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bapu, You are too funny! I almost put in a disclaimer about novelty stuff because I have done some myself...
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Sidroe
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 14:53:03
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I agree about the different sound theory. Very disjointing. The point as far as the tracking is concerned is, of course, you should always keep the big picture in mind! If you already have the concept of the song well thought out just don't get caught up so deep in it that you lose the focus of the track you are working on at the time. I say this from the viewpoint of someone who has played sessions for over 40 years. When I move into the composing mode I try to think as a drummer, or bassist, or guitarist for the individual track as opposed to putting on a producer's cap and looking at the entire project. I play guitar and keys for a living. I play drums as well,Bass,too. I also played violin in the high school orchestra and several different reed and brass instruments in the marching band. Not meant to sound like I'm bragging. All I'm saying is with the experience I have on all the instruments allows me to already have the song structure and arrangement and instrumentation in my head before I even fire up Sonar. So I tend to think as the kind of player I am on that track. I don't recommend just aimlessly playing parts that don't fit. I take into consideration that you already know what you want the song to sound like. And I also agree about the 6+ extender. I have worked sessions that tracked great with dynamics and by the time the producer and engineer got done it was just---- well,um,----LOUD! Hey,guys, pull the volume back and try dynamics. It makes a world of difference. Peace,Konradh.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/04 15:35:37
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Thanks for this thread folks. For a non-pro like myself these little nuggets make a big difference.
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Re:Very Basic Mastering Question
2011/07/08 13:21:25
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Sidroe BTW, Always set up a separate bus for the Vox. It makes it easier to deal with in the mix. This is only if you have multiple vocal tracks, right? Or am I missing something :) Jonathan
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