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2012/02/29 08:05:07 (permalink)

Video Editing Software

What are your thoughts on video editing software?  I know I'm not the first to ask this question on these forums, and the consensus is always "Vegas" - but there are others available which look very good, too, IMO.  I almost pulled the trigger on Magix Movie Maker when it was on sale last week, but decided to wait and research the rest of them more.
 
there is a review website I found which shows features of several of the more popular titles like Vegas, Corel Video Studio, Adobe Premiere Elements, Cyberlink, Pinnacle, etc.  They all rank fairly well.
 
http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews.com/ppc_index.html?cmpid=445088&s_kwcid=TC-17139-9061259925-e-1039105753
 
have any of you used any of these titles and what did you think of them?  is sony vegas really "the best" like I've read so many times on these forums, or are there alternate choices?  the review website above doesn't rank vegas as the highest, but it is in the top 5.  I'd rather base my decision on best value and ease of use.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 08:29:29 (permalink)
I've only used Vegas Home Studio but wanted to say that it's simple to use & similar to CD Architect if you've ever used that. I think there's a demo you can try too.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 08:36:06 (permalink)
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Not sure about the rest but I purchased Vegas and used it last year - I did all our promotional videos with it.
I found it really easy to learn and use - especially if you've used to any other Sony stuff like Cd Architect - it just had the same sort of feel in my estimation.
I purchased it on a special and it was very very cheap - if I remember correctly about $50/$60 dollars - and it came with some extras (which I can't remember exactly what they were  and unfortunately I can't check as it's on my system in Barbados and I'm in Cape Town at the moment).
The only thing I would say is that you need a reasonable system to run it without major delays when rendering etc - I was trying to use on a fairly old system with not a great deal of memory - it worked but it did stress the computer badly - next time I will have a system which will cope better before starting!
I will be using this again soon - hopefully we'll have invested in a better camera and I will have gotten better at compiling videos.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 09:01:16 (permalink)
I first purchased Corel X3 and later upgraded to X4. Both versions do not have the option of selecting the Audio source manually when recording - it defaults to the Windows Default source. If you need full control of the audio during recording or during editing, Corel is not the way to go.

I recently bought Vegas and find that it is a lot more flexible for editing the video and audio content.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 09:32:26 (permalink)
I bought the honestech video editor last year. Around $40 IIRC and it does a fair job for what it is.  It's a step up from windows movie maker. 

It allows me to have 2 video time lines so I can fade or overlap video with stills if I want. 

It's kinda like the audio stuff we play with..... I need to spend time with it to get decent results.... and I'd rather be working in audio than video. 


I think I used it to make one video...and started but abandoned a second one. 

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 10:08:50 (permalink)
I just ordered Cyberlink Power Director...I tried the demo and liked it...easy to learn

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 10:12:59 (permalink)
I'm also trying out Adobe Premire Elements....but after spending $800+ dollars years ago on Adobe products (CS something? which included Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Cold Fusion, etc., all of them being too complicated to learn for my time frame), they refused to give me an upgrade price because my programs were too old.....normally I can understand that, but for that amount of $, it's ridiculous...no more Adobe for me

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 10:42:30 (permalink)
Vegas is the way to go if you are used to working w/ audio for PC.  Basically no learning curve for the basics.  The baby version is about the same as the big version, minus all the effects, etc.  A lot like Cake and the Producer version.  Think of the different Companys as Daw differences - they all do the same thing but the way to do it can be a little or a lot different.

Can't say enough good about the Sony stuff.  The Abobe stuff is good, too (I use photo etc.), but has a whole different convention.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 10:53:37 (permalink)
I think the answer to this question largely depends on your needs. For many, the free Moviemaker is more than enough. Vegas is a great program, but has it's strengths and weaknesses. My experience with Vegas is with the "Pro" version but much applies. I find that for the person coming from an audio editing background, Vegas tends to be easiest to use because it was originally an audio only editor. Sonic Foundry(now owned by Sony) left all of the audio features and added video editing capabilities. Every now and then Sony has a crossgrade uption to get the Pro version . One time I received an offer and Sonar was on the list. Probably because some people still use the Pro version as a multitrack audio editor. I have also used Premiere Elements. It is almost as easy to use as Vegas and is very powerful for the price. I would suggest you download trials of both and compare.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 11:57:11 (permalink)
fantastic input, guys!  as expected, those in this forum gravitate to sony vegas.

I have not used any sony audio product, so it wouldn't be "familliar' to me in that respect.  but as being an application written for audio it might be a little more "intuitive" than others would

the cyberlink producer is very feature rich comparitively and I was certainly looking at it, so I appreciate the comments from Gaffpro about that.

I have BRIEFLY played with an older version of Premire before, but nothing serious and not for long enough to really get an understanding of it.

I will certainly look at the demos, those are great suggestions.  thanks everyone so far!

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 13:02:11 (permalink)
Reece, even I learned how to do vids with Vegas , you'd have no problem with it. I dabbled with Magix a while ago but couldn't get on with it at all.

 
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 14:15:04 (permalink)
I don't use it that much, but Vegas Movie Studio is very full featured for the price, and reasonably easy to use once you learn your way around. But there's a lot of video processing/FX stuff in there, so it takes time to go through and figure out which tools work best if you're not a video guy and are trying to accomplish something.

Assuming it supports the HW capture or file formats you need to use, I can't imagine it wouldn't have just about anything a non-pro would want.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 15:44:46 (permalink)
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Reece, even I learned how to do vids with Vegas , you'd have no problem with it. I dabbled with Magix a while ago but couldn't get on with it at all.
 
haha!  thanks James!  I have used Magix Music Maker in the past (before I started with Sonar) and didn't like it - it didn't seem intuitive to me.  I was afraid the video editing software would be similar to the music software and I'd be disappointed with it.  you have probably helped me decide that Magix is not the way to go!
 
Drew - thanks!  I will definitely download the vegas demo and try it.
 
right now I'm thinking it's between Vegas and Cyberlink, both have demos, so I'm going to try them out.
 
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 16:18:28 (permalink)
I came across at a 3d fourm just awhile ago - it's free - looks simple http://www.vreveal.com/
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 16:22:23 (permalink)
if it's between those two, i would definitely go with Vegas simply because it puts you on the upgrade path to the more advanced version in case you outgrow the version you purchase. The price will be less to upgrade and like Cakewalk, Sony often offers specials to current customers. i cannot stress enough how much better ti is to work with audio in Vegas compared to other video editors. It offers VST support and the onboard plugins are very good. The audio timestretching features are built in and it supports acidized loops. Since I have switched to using Premiere Pro, I sorely miss being able to use Vegas' audio tools. being able to take voiceovers that did not quite fit the required space and adjust them right in the program without any weird pitch changes or artifacts saved my butt many timnes.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 17:10:35 (permalink)
thanks dubdisciple!  that's quite an endorsement!

thanks, sgotr!  I'll look at it.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 18:19:36 (permalink)
Beagle, I was looking for a software package I thought you might take a look at came across the one I posted while looking for it. I just now found that software - it was in academy award wining feature film - it is called Lightworks. Here is the link for free ver at site also does many tracks of sound. I haven't used it myself. http://www.lightworksbeta.com/
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 18:31:51 (permalink)
lightworksbeta is truly professional software. it has been used for several academy award winning films. The downside is it that it offers very little for the amateur. Unlike most of the software you posted in the link, it offers little in terms of effects, transitions or even a titler. That is because in hollywood an editor just edits and leaves effects and titling up to dedicated crew. The learnign curve is much higher than any of the programs you have looked at. IMHO it is a great program, but probably not a great program for you. If you have the time, worth a peak since it's free.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 18:46:47 (permalink)
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 19:17:30 (permalink)
+1 for Vegas - use it most every week mainly to edit video click tracks.  Very intuitive (I haven't RTFM :-) or any part of it for that matter.  The church has both Final Cut and Adobe CS5 but the learning curves are much higher and for what I do, Vegas is perfect.  I have the Studio Platinum version.  If you want to come by, just give me a shout!
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 21:28:35 (permalink)
Thanks Wren!

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/02/29 21:55:56 (permalink)
Hi, Reece,



Definitely a big +1 for Vegas, even though I still haven't had the guts to post my first music video that I made way back in early November,  LOL! Hopefully soon. 



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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 06:17:31 (permalink)
Thanks Bob! that's the main thing I plan to do with it - make youtube vids for my songs.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 08:05:19 (permalink)
My computer specs are in my signature - I don't plan to upgrade my processor/motherboard right now, but would it be wise to get more RAM for video processing?  my motherboard will take up to 16G and I was smart and used 4G sticks, so I have 2 slots open still that I can add 2 X 4G more if needed.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 08:19:13 (permalink)
I don't how much video/ material you plan on using in your projects but I'd be more concerned with the processing. For myself it's the real time editing & rendering that strains the puter.
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 08:28:56 (permalink)
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I don't how much video/ material you plan on using in your projects but I'd be more concerned with the processing. For myself it's the real time editing & rendering that strains the puter.

Avid Studio is the only pro-sumer video editing software that is optimized for intel's "i" processors. That's the one I got.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 08:30:09 (permalink)
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I don't how much video/ material you plan on using in your projects but I'd be more concerned with the processing. For myself it's the real time editing & rendering that strains the puter.


what do you mean by "I'd be more concerned with the processing."?  more concerned with processing than what?  the RAM?  I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 10:18:34 (permalink)
The rendering, beagle, I think.  Once you have edited a project and inserted any effects your computer chugs along "mixing" it (the audio term).  Imagine freezing all your synths and effects on a audio project but at a low rez.  When rendering a video Vegas unfreezes them and redoes everything at the equivelent at 96/48.  It ain't a real time process.

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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 10:20:06 (permalink)
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Re:Video Editing Software 2012/03/01 10:52:42 (permalink)
Avid Studio is simply the evolved Pinnacle Studio program. Not a bad thing. Pinnacle was a good company that just got squeezed out by not being "pro" enough to compete with the AVid's of the world and not being "dumbed down" enough to dominate the consumer market. I only mention this because of the consumer level programs it is the one least like it's bigger brother versions. This could be a factor if you ever consider moving up. The interface and workflow going from premiere elements to premiere pro or vegas studio to vegas pro is very similar. If one went from Avid studio to Avid Media Composer you would be using a program unrelated in anyway to the other except for the label.
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