intuneaudio
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Video File Location
Hey
Working on some file scoring and want to see if I'm missing something.
I know when I import the video into Sonar it will import the audio into my project file but will leave the video in it's original location and stream it from there.
My question is, if the location of the video file changes (I'm thinking mainly for archival purposes or a system rebuild) is there a way to point Sonar to the new location of the video file?
You can do this with missing audio files but I can't find it for video.
I know I can reimport it. But I'm going to be working with the same video file across multiple Sonar project files and reimporitng into all of them will get tedious and worries me if there was ever a sync issue.
Thanks
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 10:29:44
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☄ Helpfulby intuneaudio 2014/04/07 10:28:13
I do not currently work with video in Sonar, so there may be other info available for you that someone else can post.
Why not copy the video into the project folder, or into a sub-folder within your project folder? That way, the video will always remain with the project.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 10:34:12
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Thanks for the idea Robert. It's a good one.
I think though, (I'll have to test) when I move the whole folder (with the included video) Sonar will still be looking for the original folder location like it does now. The problem is Sonar doesn't seem to link the projects with the videos. Just stream from the file location.
Also, the video file is 1.8 gigs and I need to use it in multiple project files. That's going to take up a ridiculous amount of harddrive and archive space.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 10:37:51
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Does the "Video Files" setting in Preference > File > Folder Locations make a difference?
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 10:48:44
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Well, as I understand it, the OP is concerned with the video being in one location when the project is created, then for whatever reason, the video is moved to another location - and then Sonar cannot find it.
What I was suggesting is that PRIOR to working with a given video in project, you copy that video into the project folder. Then, the video will stay with the project, right from the get go.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 10:52:53
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I guess another way to go would be to build a spreadsheet with the location of video files, and with the discipline of maintaining it when anything is moved, you would be able to sync to that.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 11:05:35
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I just tested the idea of putting it in the project file from the beginning. Moved the whole folder. Loaded it and it said no video.
The problem is Sonar doesn't seem to actually import the file into the project. (which makes sense it's not a video editor). It's seems to just use a playback window in Sonar playing a video from another location.
I know where my video files are. The issue is when I archive this project the files will be moved to another drive, and then Sonar will have to reimport if I have to go back and load them again. I'm trying to save that step.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 11:35:08
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SONAR embeds the path and name of the video in the project file but there is nothing preventing the path from containing joins. I little mklink magic with the /d or /j options would allow the physical location of the video files to float.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 11:42:27
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I guess it's just semantics but I'm not really sure what the difference is between "pointing sonar to the video file" or just reimporting it. You can reimport the video, uncheck "import audio" and isn't that essentially sort of the same thing or am I missing something? Either way, whether you have to point it to the video or reimport it, it's an extra step you have to do. When I import video without the audio on my computer it's almost instantaneous, it's the audio that takes a second to import.
I agree putting the video in the project folder is not the solution, even if it worked, which apparently it doesn't. On my computer I've found I get the best results with all the video on my system C: drive so I have a video folder I keep my videos.
Whatever drive you keep video on, I recommend it not be the same drive as your sonar project. So pick a drive, create a video folder and if you always keep your video in that folder won't sonar always find the videos? If you need to archive, archive away. Then if you want to load a file just make sure to copy the associated video file back into your video folder before you load the project and won't sonar automatically find it? I don't personally backup videos I just toss them after a month or two because after the show airs there's no point I'll never need them again. But if I did, this is the system I would use.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 11:51:53
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Thanks for the ideas Matt.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 12:35:00
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I was suggesting moving the video to the project folder BEFORE starting to work with the video in Sonar. This way, Sonar would always associate the video location as within the project folder - because your project would be pointing at the video in the project folder to begin with.
Now, if that step is not something you want to do, that's fine, but it should work, nonetheless - and you would not subsequently lose a path to the video.
The library 'Link' approach should also work, I would think.
And, the simplest method is as posted above, to always keep videos in the same place, like as suggested, in C:\Videos or wherever.
Bob Bone
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 12:46:47
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Bob I did try starting with the video in the project file. Didn't work when I moved it.
I started with the folder on my D drive.
Moved the complete Folder to my E drive. Project opened fine but said no video. Sound worked, video didn't show
Sonar handles video files differently than audio files.
But if you have time and try it on your system and it works let me know.
I do usually keep the video files in one place. But when I go to archive later they will be moved. Hopefully I won't have to open them, if I do I'll reimport.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 13:19:21
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To keep the video and audio in a single project directory and relocate the directory, this will work:
Assume for this example the current project directory is "d:\Cakewalk Projects" and the archive directory is "e:\Archived Cakewalk Projects"
1) Create a directory "d:\Cakewalk Projects\vidtest"
2) Copy the video into "d:\Cakewalk Projects\vidtest"
3) Open SONAR create a new audio project in the vidtest subdirectory. The directory structure for this project is:
d:\Cakewalk Projects\vidtest - this is where the video is stored
d:\Cakewalk Projects\vidtest\vidtest - this is where the cwp file is stored
d:\Cakewalk Projects\vidtest\vidtest\audio - per-project audio files are stored
4) In SONAR, import the video from videst directory
5) Shutdown SONAR
6) Move the vidtest directory from "d:\Cakewalk Projects" to "e:\Archived Cakewalk Projects"
7) Open cmd.exe type
mklink /j "d:\Cakewalk Project\vidtest" "e:\Archived Cakewalk Projects\vidtest"
8) Open SONAR and load vidtest project
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 13:23:40
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I apologize profusely.
I had tested this out before, but hadn't realized that I had left the original project folder in place, even though I had created a new copy of that project on a different drive.
So, opening the project from the new location, the video still played fine, but in actuality had been pointing back to the original location, despite the video coming along to the new location.
When I went back to double check everything, and realized I had left the original project folder intact, I deleted the original project folder, went back to open the project from the new location, and indeed the audio plays, but the video is toast.
I had a flawed situation in place when I made my earlier suggestion that this would work.
I withdraw that earlier suggestion, and will strive to do better at setting up testing of concepts prior to recommending them, in the future.
I do NOT like the hard-coded internal location information method of pointing at imported video. I think it should either give you a way to modify the location of the video for the project somewhere, or offer to save a local copy of the video in a Video sub-folder of the project folder (like with audio clips), or in some other way enable some way of telling it that the video has moved. BAKERS?????
Perhaps they could create a new entry in Preferences, at the Project level, for a path to video for the project, and during project open, check to see if the new path field had been populated already, and if not - take the hard-coded path it had been using before and populate the new path field with that location, as a starting point. If then the video is not found, a 'locate video' dialog could supply the means of entering a new location for the video, and the new location used to populate the Video Path field in Project-level Preferences.
Bob Bone
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 13:36:03
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To use a global video directory and relocate the video after importing into SONAR this will work:
Assume the global video directory is c:\video and the video archive directory is "e:\video archive"
1) Create c:\video\vidtest and copy the video into the directory
2) Open SONAR and create a project in the normal way, importing the video from c:\video\vidtest, then shutdown SONAR
3) move the vidtest directory from c:\video to "e:\video archive"
4) Open cmd.exe type
mklink /j "c:\video\vidtest" "e:\video archive\vidtest"
5) Open SONAR and load vidtest project. Note: the location of the vidtest project does not matter, it will always look for the video in "c:\video\vidtest" which now points to the archive location.
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Re: Video File Location
2014/04/07 13:41:23
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Hey Scook
Thanks for the tips. I will look at that .
Bob
Don't stress. We all make mistakes. I sure do. I appreciate you giving your time and chiming in with ideas.
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