Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit

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Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit

Hey there folks. I just got myself a new camera that does HD video also and I wanted to make some music videos with it. I recorded some performances using the camera with the audio being sent to Sonar. The camera creates MOV files and Sonar does not want to load the video files. Support has indicated it would be much better for Sonar if the files were in AVI format. Anyone out there with a preferred converter for this or is there some sort of workaround? I am working in 1080P resolution.
I am using Adobe Premiere Elements 8 for my cheap crap video editing software. I found it incredibly frustrating to try to line up the audio and video streams in it. This is all very frustrating to me. I was pretty surprised I couldn't just drop the video into Sonar.


Any other suggestions would be most welcome.

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    2013/05/16 09:32:06 (permalink)

    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/01 12:14:50


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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 09:34:24 (permalink)
    Sorry, I should have mentioned the camera! It is a Canon Rebel T4i EOS 650D.

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    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/01 12:14:59


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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 09:51:02 (permalink)
    OK...I made a mistake in the post because the camera DOES do MOV files but Sonar wants to see AVI files. I apologize for the confusion and I have modified the original question to reflect the change. Thanks Mike for making me at least go back and check this and review.

    Now...given that new, correct information about the problem perhaps there is a suggested solution.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 09:58:45 (permalink)

    I googled ‘convert mov to avi’ and found a number of conversion programs including some free ones like this:

     http://download.cnet.com/...0-2194_4-10798308.html

    Good luck.


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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 10:14:23 (permalink)
    audio editors like sonar usually specify an lower quality compressed video format to use as a reference.  It's not a video editor so it's not feature-rich in that regard.  lining your audio up in a video editor can be a pain, but in an audio editor it will be a breeze!
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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 10:24:30 (permalink)
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    I googled ‘convert mov to avi’ and found a number of conversion programs including some free ones like this:

    http://download.cnet.com/...0-2194_4-10798308.html

    Good luck.

    Yea I went and Googled converters and if you read the reviews on that piece of software you will notice it is malware. That is the exact thing I want to avoid. I would like to know, from people that have done this with Sonar X2, what is the best way to handle it. Obviously, installing malware on my PC is not something I would like to do.


    For the other poster that said that using an audio editor to line up the audio in the video is less of a pain than the video editor well....yea....I got that. It is why I asked the question in the first place cause using Premiere Elements to do it was just plain awful.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 20:54:23 (permalink)
    Sony's Vegas Movie Studio is an inexpensive program that lets you separate the video from the audio. You can then import the audio to Sonar, do what you need to do, and reimport it back to Vegas, which will then line it back up to the video. Vegas also does a number of conversions--for example, you can save the video in a lower resolution to allow it to work faster with Sonar, then open it back up in Vegas and take the edited audio and link it back with the original video. It's a work around, to be sure, but I've had decent luck with it, and I'm using an old version of Vegas. Vegas comes in a pro version ($600) and a home studio version, which currently goes by the name Movie Studio Platinum 12, starting at about $95. I've got Vegas Home Studio 9, which is a predecessor version.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/16 21:23:35 (permalink)
    +1 on the Sony Movie Studio Software package.  

    Even their lowest junior version (which you can buy and downloadoff of the sonycreativesoftware site) is better, to me, than most of the other NLEs (non-linear editors) out there.  I'm using Movie Studio Platinum 12 Suite and it comes bundled with a lot of effects. even though I have used their expensive full version Vegas editions.  I have sync'd many an audio to video using it. Be sure to turn off the snap to grid function in Movie Studio when lining up the waveforms.  There are many ways to do the music video type thing.  You can record directly into Sonar as you record the video like you said, or I often do the more famiiar music video thing where you record the video "lip syncing" vocals or "perform playing syncing" to the music recorded prior in Sonar.  I've even done multiple screens and it works quite well.  Of course I let the Sonar track play in the background while recording video so I can sync it up manually with the video/auidio tracks in "post production".  It does work very well, BTW.  I use two Canon HD video cameras (consumer grade, not the high end stuff) as well as a Kodak Zi8 and get great 1080p results with high quality audio.
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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 01:01:02 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions guys. I think Vegas might be the way to go for me.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 03:16:37 (permalink)
    K-Lite Codec Pack works well with Sonar x64. No problems opening H.264 or pretty much anything else you throw at it once you install the codecs. Make sure you grab the 64-bit pack if you do it.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 05:18:35 (permalink)
    absolutely +1

    I can import MOVs no problemo.
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    K-Lite Codec Pack works well with Sonar x64. No problems opening H.264 or pretty much anything else you throw at it once you install the codecs. Make sure you grab the 64-bit pack if you do it.

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    post edited by mister happy - 2018/02/01 12:15:11


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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 13:05:59 (permalink)
    Yeah, I'll have to look into that Mike. I find that the biggest hog when working in Sonar is the thumbnail drawing. If I turn thumbnails off and just use video view with CPU <= 50% I get smooth playback even on my old machine. It would definitely be nice to loosen the limitations though. Plus I just basically screw around with video, and anyone doing serious work will want the best performance. Need to be able to work as efficiently as possible.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 13:47:31 (permalink)
    I wouldn't attempt to use Sonar for video work (unless X2 has delivered a radical change). Another strong vote for Sony Vegas from me: it's stable, inexpensive and performs much, much better than Adobe Premiere. Lining up audio and video is reasonably easy: particularly if you set the time ruler to measures and beats rather time code.  

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/17 14:19:31 (permalink)
    Syncing the audio shouldn't be that hard if you can see the wav forms on both the audio sources matching a peak somewhere...that said if I could give you a couple pointers the next time you do this:
    -starting and stopping the recording on both sources (camera and the audio source) as close to each other as possible (if they are not physically close together give the other person a visual 3 second countdown)...not a big deal but it makes post easier.
    -after you start rolling have someone clap their hands in view of the camera (like a movie clapper) then use that peak to sync.
    I've had to do this quite a bit over the years to sync up multiple cameras along with the main audio source(s)...once everything is on the timeline it takes only a minute or two to sync.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/19 10:01:50 (permalink)
    I use Sony Vegas as well. I use the platinum edition. I will only use sonar to edit audio. If I am doing a music video I will export from vegas in AVI and import into sonar. Once the audio is done I export that from Sonar and import that into vegas and hook the two together. Vegas does the final render.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/19 10:39:16 (permalink)
    For synchronizing audio with video -- When I import a video it comes with the original audio file. I then zoom in on the wave form with my mixed audio and nudge the mixed final mix until the wave forms are matching up. Then I must the wave on the import and export the video with only the mixed version of the tune. Works fine for rough videos for youtube.

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    Re:Video integration with Sonar X2a Producer on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 2013/05/19 20:42:51 (permalink)
    Well I ordered Vegas Pro 12 from Amazon. Hopefully that should work pretty well. Thanks for the helpful suggestions made in here. I will stick with using Sonar just for audio alone as suggested and I really liked the idea of making visible transients on the audio track to serve as alignment tool. I will keep in mind the codec suggestions also. Lots to learn.

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