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Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end?

Greetings,
 
I am looking to upgrade my set of VST synths/samples, etc. to something that really sounds good. I would even be interested in something basic (such as a General MIDI VST etc.), but the main characteristic I am looking for is something that improves the sonic quality significantly from the in-box Sonar samples sets (meaning that it will be multi-Gigabyte in size, many layers and articulations per instrument, etc.).
 
I am most I need of bass, piano, keyboards, brass, and other basic General MIDI types of instruments. I have heard some good things about Kontakt and EastWest.
 
I would be interested in hearing all well-informed/experienced opinions on this issue, especially with regard to what has come out lately.
 
Thanks in advance.
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 11:55:41 (permalink)
    Hi ,Vir2 instruments have awesome sound quality,for me. Greetings. Roby

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 12:08:01 (permalink)
    Hi Pdarg,
    Yep, Kontakt and EastWest are probably some of the better ones out there...I have a number of each. You can probably get your bases covered pretty well with K5 and the Scarbee bass libs. The new NI Studio Drummer lib is surprisingly good as well...first acoustic drum kit out of NI that I'd put in the same league as Superior Drummer or BFD.

    I like the EW stuff, but the Play system leaves some things to be desired for me.  The pianos and strings are really really nice, but you'll pay for them and you can probably be good enough with just the NI stuff...

    Good luck
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 13:17:20 (permalink)
    yeah, if you get kontakt be sure to check it out properly before getting anything else, as it's the dogs as far as samplers go and has a humungus library... synth-wise check out zebra 2, it's a beast... and as for any software, check out the demo were possible

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 14:50:19 (permalink)
    Although Kontakt will give you a huge library, here are what I think are best quality:

    1.  Piano: Ivory II Grand - no contest
    2.  Acoustic Guitar: RealGuitar (MusicLab)
    3.  Electric Guitar: RealStrat and RealLPC (MusicLab).  Use with Guitar Rig or Amplitube.
    4.  Orchestra: Vienna Symphonic

    This is not the cheapest set but this is the best.
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 15:01:16 (permalink)
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 15:28:49 (permalink)
    +1 for K8 Ultimate.. its the bees kneeze... tons of pianos, basses, electric pianos, guitars (funk guitar)and ethnic instruments to name a few

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 15:31:35 (permalink)
    +1 for Kontakt

    Also, for something that does both standard sampled instruments, but also more esoteric electronic sounds, check out Camel Audio's Alchemy (though it has far more esoteric than electronic sounds).

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 15:33:42 (permalink)
    Kontakt - Its own library is pretty extensive and were it dose not quite cut it, say the guitars, there is so many third party products to fill the gaps. If you go for the Komplete package you get an amazing amout of bundled content.

    Personaly I prefer Orangetree's Evloution Electric and Steel Strings Acoustic guitar libraries for Kontakt to the Music Lab stuff. The Indiginus stuff is pretty good too.

    There is a amazing amout of free and low cost stuff once you have the full version of Kontakt.  Some of it is top notch. I have just been using SoniMusicae's Harpsichord and Salon Organ (free).  SampleTekk have some great pianos for $50, and a lot of half price sales and Hollow Sun's whacky and inexpensive Music Lab Machines are well worth checking out.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 22:12:56 (permalink)
    Glyn Barnes, I checked out Orange Tree based on your recommendation. From the demos and user guide, it looks like a really good product. Since it requires the full Kontakt player, it is more costly than RealGuitar—unless, of course, you already have Kontakt. I may add this to my line-up so I will have more acoustic variety. (I bought Vir2 Acoustic Legends so I would have a different sound to go along with RealGuitar, but the Vir2 strumming and chords are very limited compared to RealGuitar so I don't use it as much as I had hoped.)
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 22:45:55 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions - I will check all of these out.

    Keep 'em coming . . .
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/26 22:57:35 (permalink)
    konradh


    Although Kontakt will give you a huge library, here are what I think are best quality:

    1.  Piano: Ivory II Grand - no contest
    2.  Acoustic Guitar: RealGuitar (MusicLab)
    3.  Electric Guitar: RealStrat and RealLPC (MusicLab).  Use with Guitar Rig or Amplitube.
    4.  Orchestra: Vienna Symphonic

    This is not the cheapest set but this is the best.

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 10:44:05 (permalink)
    Phil, the initial investment in Kontakt is steep and the factory library isn't all that great. However, it still pencils out as a good long-term investment because it opens up a whole world of third-party libraries, including many useful ones that are either free or very cheap (see indiginus.com and sampletekk.com for examples).

    Here's why Kontakt pays for itself as you collect libraries: products that can use the free Kontakt player must pay a hefty royalty to Native Instruments, whereas products for the full Kontakt do not. That's why Electri6ity is $400 and Orange Tree Evolution Electric is $180.

    Also, for a wide variety of sounds keep an eye out for the impending SampleTank 3 which, though still unnannounced, is expected along very soon. I expect it to be a huge hit, as long as they don't get carried away with the price.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 14:31:01 (permalink)
    I have been trying to get a look at Kontakt on the NI site - but the site seems to be down???
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 14:46:49 (permalink)
    The Vir 2 stuff sounds really good - but expensive!
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 17:32:08 (permalink)
    The Ivory 2 keyboards look fantastic. Pricey but the sounds seem wonderful. I have never used software with an iLok. Is this going to be a problem if I got this? Does this require a DIRECT connection to my PC or can I have this silly dongle on a USB port on a hub connected to my PC? I loathe the thought of burning a USB port just for that thing. Any real keyboardists out there that can comment on the touch sensitivity of this VST set? 

    I know no virtual keyboard can ever feel like my real Yamaha Grand. Unfortunately, I live in a house and not a studio and I really have no ability to make a clean sonic environment for recording on the real thing. A great VST would seem like a decent compromise for someone like me that is not in a professional studio.

    How about info on a really good sampled organ set? In particular, any recommendations on a virtual B3? I want to be able to channel my inner Jon Lord :-)


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 17:43:56 (permalink)
    Vir2 is a good company but I was a bit disappointed in Acoustic Legends.  I use it some but find the strumming guitars very limited and the solo guitars a tad lifeless.  That said, it is worth the money and has some interesting sounds included (like mandolin).  If the ukelele chords offered more than major and minor, I would use them quite a bit.

    Electri6ity is impressive but I haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet and end up going back to RealStrat and RealLPC (Les Paul) most often.  The good thing about Electri6ity is that it has some basic amp simulations and effects plus several guitars, so you get a lot in one package for the price. 
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 18:20:36 (permalink)
    KOMPLETE 8 Ultimate

    East West Quantum Leap Complete Composers Collection for 799 US you get it all on a 1 GIG WD Caviar drive. I don't fnd the iLok dongle a problem at all.

    If you just want an all round sampler you could do a lot worse than Yellow Tools Independence 3.0 which has a huge sample library - No dongle and much cheaper than KOMPLETE or EWQL CCC In fact they''re just about giving it away at the moment for 20 or 30 Euros.

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 21:43:49 (permalink)
    The East West Fab Four VST has some great guitar sounds . . .
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 21:49:41 (permalink)
    mudgel

    If you just want an all round sampler you could do a lot worse than Yellow Tools Independence 3.0 which has a huge sample library - No dongle and much cheaper than KOMPLETE or EWQL CCC In fact they''re just about giving it away at the moment for 20 or 30 Euros.
    Yellow Tools for 30 Euros?? Where? The website wants 99 euros for the basic version - also - no sound samples??

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 22:38:11 (permalink)
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    If you just want an all round sampler you could do a lot worse than Yellow Tools Independence 3.0 which has a huge sample library - No dongle and much cheaper than KOMPLETE or EWQL CCC In fact they''re just about giving it away at the moment for 20 or 30 Euros.
    Yellow Tools for 30 Euros?? Where? The website wants 99 euros for the basic version - also - no sound samples??

    I just have to chime in and warn you to beware of Yellow Tools. Their installation  and authentication routines are very convoluted and easy to screw up. Their support is pretty much non-existent. They also don't respond to support requests. Their support forum has been shutdown for at least a year, most likely after it turned into a free-for-all due to their bad support. It also looks like they were just bought out by another company which means things may get even worse.

    Nevertheless, if you can get their stuff working, it sounds really nice. 


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 23:12:32 (permalink)
    Yeh, I'd also suggest steering away from YT. When they offered a free version awhile back, most people had difficulty getting it installed and authorized. I got it working but wasn't impressed with it and uninstalled it. And I don't uninstall much of anything.


    ...any recommendations on a virtual B3?


    The product you want is called VB3. 49 euros.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 23:23:18 (permalink)

    The Ivory 2 keyboards look fantastic. Pricey but the sounds seem wonderful. I have never used software with an iLok. Is this going to be a problem if I got this? Does this require a DIRECT connection to my PC or can I have this silly dongle on a USB port on a hub connected to my PC? I loathe the thought of burning a USB port just for that thing. Any real keyboardists out there that can comment on the touch sensitivity of this VST set?

    Ivory is just about the epitome of sampled pianos. iLok is rarely a problem for most users, but when it is a problem it's a royal PIA. Personally, I won't even consider an iLok-protected product. Not everyone feels that way, though.

    The good news is you can get some really good piano libraries that are cheaper and don't require a dongle. Check out sampletekk for some terrific bargains, including a decent Yamaha since that's what you're used to. For that matter, there's Alicia's Keys, which is also a Yamaha, for 99 bucks.

    My go-to piano library is The Old Lady, a 1920's Steinway that had been rigged with a player-piano mechanism that can set velocities with extreme precision. The library has 12 velocity layers, just like Ivory. Entire keyboard sampled, no pitch-shifting, just like Ivory. Release samples, pedal noises, just like Ivory. It sounds great, and I got it on sale for 25 bucks. And no #$%*& dongle.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 23:33:48 (permalink)
    I will have to agree here, Old Lady is absolutely inspiring to play and Sampletekk often has amazing deals. Jon
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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/27 23:37:51 (permalink)
    I just have to chime in and warn you to beware of Yellow Tools.


    I might be off base here but I think Yellow Tools Independence is now owned by Magix, makers of Samplitude. See, the new 64bit Sam was released just recent;y and it looks like it's plugins are going to be available for other DAW users as VSTs. Amongst these is a 70gig sampler called Independence.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/28 11:37:34 (permalink)
    Sampletekk has both "Old Lady" and "Emperor" piano samples in 24-bit for Kontakt - each is $25! Sounds like a winner.

    I have Steven Slate Drums, which includes the Kontakt 2.0 player; will the Sampletekk piano's work with that player?

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/28 11:40:51 (permalink)
    You are correct, Magix took over YT just this summer. My guess is they were looking for a sampler to enhance Samplitude, as opposed to developing YT further as a standalone product. I have no personal experience with Magix, but based on online comments I've read the company is consistently characterized as having an unsatisfactory attitude toward customer support.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/28 11:43:10 (permalink)
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    Sampletekk has both "Old Lady" and "Emperor" piano samples in 24-bit for Kontakt - each is $25! Sounds like a winner.

    I have Steven Slate Drums, which includes the Kontakt 2.0 player; will the Sampletekk piano's work with that player?

    Thanks!


    Sorry, no. You have to have the full Kontakt, not the player.


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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/28 12:25:29 (permalink)
    After reading all the good information in this thread and checking a lot of stuff out online it seems like going with the Kontakt Complete set and then filling in with instruments that use the Kontakt player full version may be the best way to go for me. It is a shame that the Ivory 2 set uses the dongle but I have read too many online horror stories about it now to be comfortable using one of those things.

    I definitely want to investigate the Old Lady piano since the price is great and it sounded terrific in the demos. Any recommendations for a B3 organ that is compatible with Kontakt?

    I wish I could make my real Yamaha Grand a midi controller since I have put so much effort into making it great to play on :-)

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    Re:Virtual instruments late 2011 – top end? 2011/09/28 12:33:09 (permalink)
    I'm actually getting a lot of use out of Native Instrument's own Vintage Organs pack. Jon
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