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Vocal Drift Correction
I have a Rolling Stones song "Under Assistant West Coast promotion Man" in wave form, where after the intro, Mick Jagger's vocal drifts. Is there anyway I can correct this using Cakewalk? All suggestions are welcomed. Ed
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 11:31:51
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It all depends, is it in multi track format ?
Melodyne can do wonders but on stereo mixed tracks it can become tedious but possible.
Sonar comes with Melodyne but to do work with stereo mixed tracks you need Melodyne's best version.
You would get more precise answers with a little more detail. For example Cakewalk has many products. Which version are you referring to ?
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 17:25:39
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Chuckebaby:
Thank you for your quick reply. I have Sonar Artist and not the advanced version. Are there any free plugins for Melodyne that would help. Just how difficult would it be to correct the problem? Thanks. Ed
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 19:23:11
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Is it a stereo mix or a multi track your have ?
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 20:46:26
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Hi Chuck:
It is actually a mono mix enhanced to stereo, using delays and with a short verse added by using analog in a studio. Is melodyne included in Sonar Artist? If so, where do I find it? Thanks. Ed
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 21:35:40
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I don't think it is and certainly not the more advanced version that MIGHT help with this issue.
I'm wondering why you want to (apparently) retune an original Stones recording. It sounds unlikely that Mick would drift inexcusably much.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/07 21:43:29
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There is only a Melodyne Demo (essential) included in Artist.
That's not the high end version and certainly not something you could use to pull this off.
TBH, im not even sure you could do it in Melodyne's best version (Studio). But it might be.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 06:02:34
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Chuck:
To answer your question. What we are attempting to do is create a mono to stereo conversion. There are many of them on You tube and they sound really good. I have done many and enever encounetered a drifting vocal before. Ed
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 11:46:39
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I still don't understand the problem. Couldn't/Shouldn't you do the stereo version of the exact original? Why would you want to change it?
Is it drifting in time or pitch?
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 12:17:18
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Kalle Rantaaho
I still don't understand the problem. Couldn't/Shouldn't you do the stereo version of the exact original? Why would you want to change it?
Is it drifting in time or pitch?
I hear ya Kalle. I thought the same thing at first but I believe that song was recorded in 1965 (in mono). Most bands from this era (Beetles early albums) were recorded in mono.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 12:46:30
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I don't understand what the recording date or format has to do with Kalle's point. If you're simply stereoizing a file, why do you want to pitch correct the vocals?
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 13:06:13
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 13:14:55
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Sanderxpander
I don't understand what the recording date or format has to do with Kalle's point. If you're simply stereoizing a file, why do you want to pitch correct the vocals?
I guess I misunderstood Kalle's comment. I thought he meant just use the original stereo recording and my point was there isn't one.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 15:46:22
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To answer Chuck and the other posts, "Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" does not exist in Stereo. It has only been issued in mono. That is why the attempt was made to make a stereo version. There are several ways to do this. Several individuals have used pro tools to actually remove several elements (vocals, instruments) and love these elements. This involes working piece by piece. It is very time consuming. Another way, which myself and a friend attempted was West Coast promotion Man. My friend began by synching up two different version of the song in his analog studio. This was the first time I have heard a vocal move slightly from right to left and then back. You can hear by the way, my friend's stereo creations as Subterranean Engineer on You Tube. I purchased Cakewalk in February and we have been playing round with it. I have read up on quantizing and we believed that this function in Cakewalk, might improve the vocal. It has not. That was what led me to ask my question in the forum. I hope I have explained what I was attempting to do. Any suggestions are welcomed and thanks to all. Ed
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 16:56:32
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Synching 2 different version is a task for sure.
You might be able to explore your options using Autosnap but that will in effect move all track content (not isolate the vocal track itself). As I mentioned previously, Melodyne is the only tool I know of that can extract vocal and retain it for manipulative purposes.
Watch the video I posted in my previous comment and you can get an idea of what it can do. A note though, the full version is pretty pricey.
Good luck and post a link when you can. I would like to hear some of work you guys are doing.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 17:36:40
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edsb
To answer Chuck and the other posts, "Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" does not exist in Stereo. It has only been issued in mono. That is why the attempt was made to make a stereo version.
Sorry, maybe I'm being a bit dim, but why does a record released in mono therefore require turning into stereo? The original tracking and mix would have been done very skillfully, with the aim of a mono release in the mind of all concerned. I can see how trying to do a remix on a 60s recording might be an interesting technical exercise, but be certain you're not trying to fix something that was never broken in the first place. Lots of those old mono recordings have a power and directness that gets lost with "after the fact treatments" to try and make them stereo. More is lost than can be gained, if you see what I mean.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 18:27:21
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edsb
To answer Chuck and the other posts, "Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man" does not exist in Stereo. It has only been issued in mono. That is why the attempt was made to make a stereo version.
Sorry, maybe I'm being a bit dim, but why does a record released in mono therefore require turning into stereo?
The original tracking and mix would have been done very skillfully, with the aim of a mono release in the mind of all concerned. I can see how trying to do a remix on a 60s recording might be an interesting technical exercise, but be certain you're not trying to fix something that was never broken in the first place. Lots of those old mono recordings have a power and directness that gets lost with "after the fact treatments" to try and make them stereo. More is lost than can be gained, if you see what I mean.
I've learned over the years that, as artists we should never question other artists goals. that's why I didn't question the OP. I just tried to help him the best I could. Some of the best things have been created by bending or breaking the rules. For example: Mash ups. Im sure there were some who said "Why are you doing that". And EDM, im sure someone said, "Why do you want that". Its about artistic creation and while it might be someone else's song.... so are portions of Rap. Im only speaking for myself here, but its none of my business why someone wants to do what they are doing. When a user has only 11 posts, the last thing I want to do is scare him away from this forum with my opinion.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 18:38:41
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Just curious why you are fixing a Rolling Stones record. There are many things to fix on their records. That's not an insult. They were meant to be raw.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 18:42:02
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chuckebaby
Its about artistic creation and while it might be someone else's song.... so are portions of Rap.
Im only speaking for myself here, but its none of my business why someone wants to do what they are doing.
When a user has only 11 posts, the last thing I want to do is scare him away from this forum
with my opinion.
Great point, Chuck! Need to learn more of this from you, as I'm not quite "there yet" 
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/08 21:55:30
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Hang on, the OP now mentions the vocal drifting from right to left and then back, are we talking about a stereo field drift that occurred during this attempt or a pitch drift??
I'm not sure if I understand entirely correctly what exactly you're trying to sync up but you might have some luck with Melodyne's "apply project tempo" function. If you don't want to lose the original feel, pick one track first, drag it to the timeline and then apply project tempo to the other one.
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Re: Vocal Drift Correction
2017/08/09 01:45:54
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Hi Sander:
The tracks have already been synched. Before we use Melodyne, which is not cheap. Can it be used to correct the drifting of the vocal? It actually drifts right to left and back. Ed
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