Bristol_Jonesey
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Vocal Processing
Hi guys. I’m trying to achieve a vocal effect similar to how Peter Gabriel sounded on “Cuckoo Cocoon” from The Lamb. It’s a strange sort of warbling sound, maybe filtered (sorry for the naff description). I’ve tried chorus, flange etc but nothing comes remotely close to what I’m hearing on the album. Any ideas how to go about this? The intended application will be on a section of female vocals – 3 lines double tracked, making it 6 tracks in all. I can see 3 different ways of implementing the effect once I’ve found it. 1 – as a separate insert on each of the 6 tracks 2 – as a single insert on the vocal bus 3 – on its own bus via a send The vocalist in question has a naturally low voice, and Gabriel’s is pretty high, so there shouldn’t be a conflict here. All help gratefully received (of course)
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/02 07:47:58
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Don't know the piece, but has a listen on youtube, all I can think of is chorus/flange/phase effects.. Just getting that right setting.. I think the old recording quality has a big part to do with the feel of it too. If you're mimicking that as well, surely you can get close.. Hmm, wonder if they used a tape reel trick to get the effect? A mechanical flange kinda thing... That could be it maybe??
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/02 20:55:56
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Interesting. I remember the song, but just went back and listened to get a fresh take on it. 1: Sounds like Chorus to me. 2: In their case, I think it would be on the main bus, and is at least 50% effect. Personally, I would put this on the main vocal bus, not on each channel as you want the chorus to be the same on all the parts. Otherwise you may get some strange phase things happening. A send bus would give you more control, but would be harder to dial in (I think) 3: The vocals sound like they have a lot of compression on them. I would try 4:1 - 8:1, and pull the threshold back so there is not a lot of dynamic range. Put this before the chorus. 4: Aside from the chorus and compression the vocals sound very dry! I think this is critical to making the part work. No reverb or delay. (maybe a doubler would work, but it needs to be subtle) That's what I'm hearing, but others may notice something I didn't. Good luck!
post edited by codamedia - 2011/06/02 20:58:01
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/02 21:43:45
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Maybe it's not a chorus per se, but rather the old clone/nudge/pitch shift trick? Anybody have a youtube link?
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 08:44:10
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bitflipper Maybe it's not a chorus per se, but rather the old clone/nudge/pitch shift trick? Anybody have a youtube link? You are likely right - I'm not sure that chorus existed when this song was done. They likely did it the hard way. Here is a you tube link for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBx-zjFHVT8
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 09:45:08
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I'd recommend the Boss CE-1 or the EMT 250 both from UAD to get these transparent chorus type sounds. It's definitely a chorus effect...but it's not used so that it wavers much. The Boss has dual and classic mode which allows the chorus effect to change in strength as well as transparency. If you have the hardware version of this, I'd definitely give it a shot. I was able to cop this sound close enough in a few seconds without really trying to hone in on it completely. The EMT did a nice job too, but the Boss was more like the song you hear.
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 10:37:41
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OK, I listened to the tune (thanks for the link, codamedia) and I'm pretty sure it's a Leslie. It could possibly a phaser, but the EQ signature sounds like a Leslie to me.
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 10:50:47
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I would go with a flanger/chorus effect myself perhaps a cheap guitar box.
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 17:51:55
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bitflipper OK, I listened to the tune (thanks for the link, codamedia) and I'm pretty sure it's a Leslie. It could possibly a phaser, but the EQ signature sounds like a Leslie to me. That is a very interesting take on this. Certainly makes sense for the time.
post edited by codamedia - 2011/06/03 17:53:20
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/03 18:50:29
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Re:Vocal Processing
2011/06/04 02:36:49
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Thanks everyone. Intersting thought about a Leslie. I'll have a play with that one for sure. Getting close to it using the Sonitus Modulator on its own bus and using a send from each of the individual tracks. And yes - the section it's being applied to is practically dry - there's a very low amount of reverb and no delay on this section (all automated) Thanks everyone
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