JWB
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Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
Hi,
I'm making use of Sonar's layering function while I do some vocals.
Question: If I complete a verse but don't like one of the lines, how do I clear it out so it's not heard while I attempt the overdub? Do I cut it out manually?
Thanks,
Jon
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/21 23:12:32
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select clip and hit Q
or use the mute tool K button to mute part of the clip, drag across lower half of clip to mute, upper half to unmute
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/21 23:12:42
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Mute it, if later you dont like it, delete it.
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/21 23:14:10
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If it worked properly it would automatically mute when you recorded over it and make a new layer.
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JWB
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/21 23:59:32
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Ok, thanks a lot!
One more thing... Is there a way to make a composite track of the unmuted sections? In other words, the "keepers"!
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 00:00:56
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ORIGINAL: Sid Viscous
If it worked properly it would automatically mute when you recorded over it and make a new layer.
Amen to that.
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 00:02:26
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ORIGINAL: JWB
Ok, thanks a lot!
One more thing... Is there a way to make a composite track of the unmuted sections? In other words, the "keepers"!
yes . make a new lane and then drag the clips you want to keep up to the comping lane. ( using the shift key will lock the clips to vertical movement as i recall). jeff
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 00:15:45
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If you hold down the CTRL key while using the mute tool it will act as a solo tool instead of a mute tool. I find that it's easier to comp by soloing the best layers in a track rather than dragging into a comp lane or muting all the rest of the clips.
Regards,
John
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JWB
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 10:55:47
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ORIGINAL: CoteRotie
If you hold down the CTRL key while using the mute tool it will act as a solo tool instead of a mute tool. I find that it's easier to comp by soloing the best layers in a track rather than dragging into a comp lane or muting all the rest of the clips. Thanks John but I'm a little confused here. With the mute tool in place (red icon at top left), I can't seem to solo the best parts using CTRL. Instead the whole clip stays muted. Maybe it's the way I'm dragging or have things set? Any suggestions?
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 12:57:44
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ORIGINAL: JWB
ORIGINAL: CoteRotie
If you hold down the CTRL key while using the mute tool it will act as a solo tool instead of a mute tool. I find that it's easier to comp by soloing the best layers in a track rather than dragging into a comp lane or muting all the rest of the clips.
Thanks John but I'm a little confused here. With the mute tool in place (red icon at top left), I can't seem to solo the best parts using CTRL. Instead the whole clip stays muted. Maybe it's the way I'm dragging or have things set? Any suggestions?
I don't know, maybe you have the clip muted already (the red icon?) The mute tool is accessed by pressing "K" on the keyboard. Then, when you hold down CTRL the cursor changes to an exclamation point and whichever layer you drag it over is solo'd. If the clip is already muted, it doesn't work. I don't remember any red icon while using the mute tool, but I'm not in front of my DAW at the moment. Good Luck, John
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 14:10:05
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JWB, FWIW I've never used the Mute Tool as described above for comping vocals....maybe I should try it. My method is to split the clips between phrases, pick the ones I think are best takes for each phrase and mute the rest. Then I slip edit/fade the good clips into a seemless vocal track. Works for me. Below is an example of a vocal track from my song "Purified". 4 takes, split at phrase boundaries. Each good phrase is slip-edited, most with short fades of some type on the start and ending of the phrase for a smoother transition into the next phrase. As you can see, the first verse had more problems than the second!   You can hear the result here if you are interested. The best thing about SONAR is that there is typically more than one way to do something and all you need to do is explore the options and pick the one that works best for you. HTH.
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 22:45:42
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Well thanks Andy for your pictorial. I finally figured out how to mute the layers properly and for what I do, it's probably the best approach for me. Getting back to composites... do I have to make a new lane or can I just "select all" the unmuted layers and create a new track?
Thanks for seeing me through this!
Jon
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/22 23:34:41
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If you set a punch in and out point and then set record options to "Mute Previous Take" all previous takes (multiple or single layers) will be muted while you record. the new one. Works for me...
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/23 00:20:01
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ORIGINAL: JWB
do I have to make a new lane or can I just "select all" the unmuted layers and create a new track?
No...you can just bounce to clip on all the clips in the track to get a composite track. I really don't see a need to create a *new* track unless you have further "mangling" with FX and whatnot you want to do that you didn't already have in the FX bin....then just bounce to track and mangle to your hearts content! Again...do what you are comfortable with.
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RE: Vocal comping... muting or deleting individual lines?
2006/09/23 00:21:05
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ORIGINAL: Blindeddie
If you set a punch in and out point and then set record options to "Mute Previous Take" all previous takes (multiple or single layers) will be muted while you record. the new one. Works for me...
Cool! I was wondering if there was a way to do that. ThanX!
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