Woodyoflop
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Vocal scatter
Iv accomplished this effect in other DAWs or through various VST plugins and even manually adjusting these thing s myself. Im a long time Sonar user so you can assume I know my way around the program fairly wel but iv not really dabbled in the Midi part much. Does anyone here know how to chop a vocal to create a sample to assign to Midi notes on Sonar?
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/20 22:10:53
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☄ Helpfulby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:33:23
you need to use a sampler (vsti).
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Woodyoflop
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/21 00:15:11
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Thank you, is there one contained within Sonar? In the other DAWs iv usually seen it done through the drum program etc..
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/21 01:10:51
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☼ Best Answerby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:33:14
Session Drummer 3 allows you to drag/drop samples onto kit pieces. if you do not want the hassle of creating sfz files, multiple instances of SD3 would work.
Dimension Pro, Matrix View, and several other options also exist.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/21 20:03:19
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Woodyoflop
Vocal scatter
Iv accomplished this effect in other DAWs or through various VST plugins and even manually adjusting these thing s myself. Im a long time Sonar user so you can assume I know my way around the program fairly wel but iv not really dabbled in the Midi part much. Does anyone here know how to chop a vocal to create a sample to assign to Midi notes on Sonar?
At the risk of showing my ignorance here, what the heck is vocal scatter?
post edited by slartabartfast - 2017/04/21 22:20:56
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Woodyoflop
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/21 22:35:20
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Honestly not sure of the technical name of it but iv always heard it referred as and referred to it as a Vocal Scatter. Basically taking a word or part of word usually triggered by Midi input or a plugin and kinda scatters difference parts of the word or syllables across the stereo image. Usually accompanied by a a vocoder for special effect sounds. Can prolly look it up on YouTube, fairly common. My description of it most likely isn't the best lol.
Stutter edit from Izotope can be good for this if u wanna spend time programming it as none of the presets really do it how i usually need.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 00:38:48
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Scatter is new to me, too.
To do your own you could consider manually cutting up a vox sample
into clips, then set whatever panning, fx etc. you like to each clip.
Setting up a sample player for MIDI strikes me as too much additional work.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 07:45:17
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☄ Helpfulby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:33:01
If you have Stutter Edit, you might want to consider delving into that more deeply. If you chop up a vocal manually then change your mind or want to try different slices, you need to do it again. The sliders on the controls to Stutter Edit allow for quick editing of things once you know what they do, and none of the underlying material is modified. Each preset is assigned to an individual key, so there are a truckload of presets. Most include "Stutter" enabled, so folks do not realize that if you shut that off you can do a lot of audio manipulation without the stutter. That particular program is one that needs a read of the manual, it is a bit complex and not obvious at times, but easy to modify once you understand it.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 10:53:47
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I believe Cakewalk's Cyclone plug in does this, although its 32 bit. I have also been able to use the matrix view by splitting the clip and drag n' drop the individual splits to its own matrix slot or "pad", assign controller keys to the slots via midi learn, and then you can have each slot trigger the split for one-shot, loop, instantaneous, etc.
StutterEdit is much easier, though.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 18:33:17
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☄ Helpfulby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:32:54
mettelus
... If you chop up a vocal manually then change your mind or want to try different slices, you need to do it again.
If you don't bounce, the full underlying wave file remains under each clip. So you could delete all clips except one, then open the clip to reveal the full audio again. And you can move the edges of the clips, stretch or shrink clips both in time (Ctrl+Shift) or just in length, merge two clips together, cut them again elsewhere, fade in/out... You also have the Loop Constructor at your disposal.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 20:28:13
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☄ Helpfulby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:32:48
It's really easy with Audiosnap - plit at the transient markers. Audiosnap usually finds it very easy to place transients at the beginnings of words, but it's simple enough to adjust the transient markers for the "outliers." Then just drag the clips to your VSTi of choice.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 20:29:09
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Thanks guys, yea stutter edit would be amazing but I just haven't had the time to learn it. Been sitting in my plugin list for awhile finding no use as I usually manually do stutters myself through copy/pasting etc...
it just looked so easy on other DAWs when they just highlighted the part they wanna split or whatever then paints it in Midi and they can just change Midi notes for the pattern they want. Just hadn't found any videos or anything about it for Sonar.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 20:30:26
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Anderton
It's really easy with Audiosnap - plit at the transient markers. Audiosnap usually finds it very easy to place transients at the beginnings of words, but it's simple enough to adjust the transient markers for the "outliers." Then just drag the clips to your VSTi of choice.
Didn't see this message before I wrote my previous reply. Thank you, I was actually thinking of the audio snap feature and hadn't got around to experimenting with it. I'll give it a shot.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 20:57:26
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☄ Helpfulby Woodyoflop 2017/04/22 22:32:45
Melodyne is an amazing PI. Do you have it?
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 21:20:23
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LongJohnBaldy
Melodyne is an amazing PI. Do you have it?
yes sir i do, i use pretty regularly to convert audio into MIDI notes to use with Vocoders, i had considered using it to generate midi notes for the Vocal scatter iv been talking about.
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Woodyoflop
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 22:19:59
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Im having trouble applying them to VSTis. Iv tried session drummer but can only drag 1 clip to the drum, cant put any more clips in the bank or it creates a screaming sound then crashes when trying to play. Is there a VSTi in Sonar that you can just drag the split clips to.
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Re: Vocal scatter
2017/04/22 22:43:02
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Iv managed to make it work on Session Drummer 3. It seems it was crashign when the sample size i attempted to drag to it was to short in length. After taking away the Fade in/outs on the end of the clips and stretching them out a bit and just dragging the split clips onto each drum they assigned just fine and produced just fine through the piano roll. Thank you everyone for the help and ideas.
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