Vocals - Types of effects?

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2010/02/25 14:44:17 (permalink)

Vocals - Types of effects?

hello everyone, I feel bad because I always ask questions on this forum but I never get around to helping others out with theirs. I just want to say that everyone here has helped me so much, and that writing, recording, and producing music has been such a lovely escape for me, and I plan on doing it for the rest of my life :]

Just wanted to get that out of the way haha, but currently im trying to look in to some vocal effects. Usually when im done recording vocals, ill just use melodyne to correct pitch, compress and EQ, then add a touch of reverb. Lately I havn't been using pitch correction as much, it messes things up more than help haha, but thats what nice about melodyne is that I can just correct what seems to need it.

I looking to make some effects like this song: http://www.youtube.com/wa...fM&feature=related

The first first has that vocal harmony, im assuming but I cant tell its just him singing it, then you can hear him singing it in an octave up? So its two voices, I tried to do somthing along these lines but I cant seem to get it right. Has anyone else tried to do this? It sounds really nice, I LOVE the effect. Im assuming its not a VST, if there is a vst that could produce results somwhat like this thought I would love to know what It is just so I can play around with it.

The second effect I want to try and mimic is at around 1:08 (its actually more apparent at 2:38) in the video. The higher voice seems like its played "in the background" or somthing along thoes lines. Not really muffled, I hear it alot it music in general in the bridge. Its not sung softer, but just produced so that it sounds well, lighter? Im not sure what this is called or how to do it, so if anyone could help regarding that I would appreciate it so much.

The last effect, which is actually the least important to me haha, is that slight autotune effect he has. I think its autotune, im not sure thought. Throughout the song his voice has an electronic feel, but its not an obvious and annoying Tpain effect that just ruins the vocals. Whenever I mess around with autotune, I can never replicate it like in this song, its ALWAYS obvious and annoying, or not apparent at all.

Once again, thanks everyone for the help, I really REALLY appreciate it :]
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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/02/25 18:54:23 (permalink)
    Hi my friend,
     
    I'm pretty new to recording too so don't trust my opinion 100% because it could quite easily be completely wrong :P
     
    the more I listen to the start of the song, the more I think that all has been done is that the vocal track has been cloned and taken an octave higher. Its too well synchronized to be him singing an overdub. . If you try to overdub an octave higher i think you will probably lose the metalic sound he achieves. Maybe there is a little bit of delay on the higher track too - like 1/32 or something.

    At 1:08 and 2:38 they use the same technique of cloning the vocals and taking the clone an octave higher. There is also a hell of a lot of reverb being applied...but more on the higher vocal - it sounds further back than the lower vocal.I think there is a bit more delay here - about 1/16 on the high vocals? The high vocals are also louder than the low vocals?

    I'm really just guessing - I've never played with vocal effects and stuff.

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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/02/25 19:46:35 (permalink)
    thankk you!

    Im going down to my studio tommorow (its in my basement but I have to move alot of things to get it all set up haha) and ill defiantly try that.

    So your saying that maybe he just tracked vocals, doubled the take, then used melodyne (or any other pitch edititing program) to move one of the takes an octave up? I never thought of that, I guess it always seemed out of the option because it would probally not end up sounding good, but its defiantly worth a try. Its still possible he just did two takes, singing one an octave higher than just used autotune or somthing to give it that electronic feel, Ive tried doing this before but always end up failing -_-

    As far as the technique later on in the sound, that "further back" effect is what im looking for haha. You think it might just be alot of reverb? Usually I have a short and sweet sort of reverb when I track acoustic and vocals, I guess ill play around with it though.

    Thanks alot for the advice!

    Also, I dont know where but I remember hearing somthing about a VST that basically made vocal harmonies. Im sure it doesnt sound anywhere near as good as actually singing them, but if anyone knows of one that is decent I would love to try it out and see if it has better results than just moving the pitches up an octave on a seperate track themsleves.

    once again, thanks so much :]

    EDIT: ah well after listening to the first part a few times over, I am actually quiet certain he used a VST or the way you suggested to pull of the effect. It just fits to perfectly. Unless he was really lucky :p
    post edited by MiykPace - 2010/02/25 19:52:38
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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/02/25 20:45:07 (permalink)
    "ah well after listening to the first part a few times over, I am actually quiet certain he used a VST or the way you suggested to pull of the effect. It just fits to perfectly. Unless he was really lucky :p "

    Nobody is that lucky :D

    YOu can overdub the harmonies and it will sound nice - but it won't be the same effect you're after - you will lose the electronic feel that this guy has and instead have a more organic vocal.
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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/02/25 21:15:12 (permalink)
    sounds like a mild case of autotuning to me. 

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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/02/25 21:57:36 (permalink)
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    sounds like a mild case of autotuning to me. 

    yeah thats exactly what I thought, though I can never actually get the settings to produce something like that. 


    And as far as the vocal harmonies go, has anyone heard anything good about that antares product, vocal harmony engine? Im sure just pushing the vocals up with pitch correction would be the much more costly manner haha, but I think that VST would be really interesting if you mess around with the settings, especially if you mix some music theory in it.


    I get excited just thinking about the possibilities haha xD


    editt: im downloading the trial now, looking at a screenshot of it I have never been more excited about a VST ever haha. I guess I just love expanding the creativity margin of songs, and with the ammount of options you can mess around with Im having really high hopes for this! too bad trials dont last forever -_-
    post edited by MiykPace - 2010/02/25 22:16:56
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    Re:Vocals - Types of effects? 2010/03/05 19:29:23 (permalink)
    It's just a room type effect. There are several foot operated stage models that will do it. I couldn't point you to the one they're using but it's probably a user created and saved version of an existing preset. I don't know what you're using for a DAW host but you could probably recreate it with Sonars Plugins. Pre delay and release times are what you're looking for basically. Without getting into some of the more extensive plugins which allow you to place the sound in a room at a specific point.

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