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Voxengo SPAN Update
Version 2.8, adds a VST3 version plus minor bug fixes. Also updated is the free GEQ graphic equalizer. If you're not familiar with this one, it's a "dirty" EQ, which is to say it adds a little harmonic distortion. It also does M/S processing, AFAIK a unique feature among freebie EQs.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 15:45:15
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 15:54:51
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I had 2.6... Have either of you tried to open the downloaded file? It's taking forever.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 15:58:49
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I just installed it. Worked fine for me. It is an executable installer.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 16:00:33
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double clicking is what wouldn't work. I right clicked and selected open and it worked fine. operator error!
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 19:12:27
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Aleksy seems completely disinterested in providing AAX versions of his products. He says he can't get PT to work even though seemingly anyone else with PT is using it as if it works.
When I consider how every one else seems able to do it in a timely manner, it leaves me disinterested in even downloading updates to the stuff I have already purchased from them.
I'm wondering if Voxengo is going to become the ST3 of EFX.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 19:33:59
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bitflipper
Version 2.8, adds a VST3 version plus minor bug fixes.
I have vst 2.7 so this will be my first update...Do I just run the installer or do I need to uninstall the previous version?
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 19:48:45
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Run the installer, don't worry about uninstalling the previous version. Voxengo installers use the previous version as a guide for what and where to install the update.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 20:17:37
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Aleksy seems completely disinterested in providing AAX versions of his products. He says he can't get PT to work even though seemingly anyone else with PT is using it as if it works.
Actually, all of the plugin developers I talk to have been struggling with ProTools compatibility. It's not PT per se, but rather the new Pace signing requirement that's messing everybody up. Word is that Pace documentation and developer support is very poor unless your product is iLok-protected. Surprising, given how rock-solid Pace software has always been. ;)
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 20:40:37
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Run the installer, don't worry about uninstalling the previous version. Voxengo installers use the previous version as a guide for what and where to install the update.
OK I'm good to go, many thanks!!!
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/18 21:34:26
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Aleksy seems completely disinterested in providing AAX versions of his products. He says he can't get PT to work even though seemingly anyone else with PT is using it as if it works.
Actually, all of the plugin developers I talk to have been struggling with ProTools compatibility. It's not PT per se, but rather the new Pace signing requirement that's messing everybody up. Word is that Pace documentation and developer support is very poor unless your product is iLok-protected. Surprising, given how rock-solid Pace software has always been. ;)
Ah heck, even Melda productions does AAX... it can't be all that hard. :-) Sonitus x64 DX and Voxengo VST are the only efx I own that I can't use as AAX. ;-) We must have completely opposite lists of dsp vendors if all of your contacts have difficulty with it and almost all of my vendors have supplied full compatibility. What I was explaining is that Aleksy explains that he can't even get PT 10 or 11 to work on his system... and so he doesn't have a practical way to test.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 10:31:01
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Ah heck, even Melda productions does AAX... it can't be all that hard. :-) It apparently really is a PIA. Not because of AAX specifically, which by all accounts is well-documented and well-supported. Rather, it's because of the new requirement - and a new third-party software dependency - to have Pace digital signing implemented in every AAX plugin. What that means is you get a little piece of Pace copy-protection magic bundled into every AAX plugin, whether it uses iLok or not. It means nobody can write an AAX plugin that doesn't have Avid's official blessing, because you need a special tool from Pace to generate the signature and they'll only give it to official Avid developers. Avid would like very much to do away with the small independent software developer and leave it all to the "Pros". They're reportedly (developers are expressly forbidden from discussing this) charging a $500 annual fee to AAX developers to license the Pace signing code, a significant hit for the bedroom coder who only makes a couple grand a year off plugin sales. Somebody wrote an AAX wrapper that would allow PT users to use any VST plugin. Avid killed it immediately, since they have a built-in kill switch to disable any plugin they don't approve of, and the terms of the SDK license say they don't need to give a reason for doing so. Avid does not appear to be putting users' needs at the top of the priority list. I'm so glad I never went the ProTools route. I have an acquaintance who went with a full HD rig 10 years ago. He was pretty pleased at the time even though it cost as much as a new car. I wonder how he's enjoying his gold-plated boat anchor today.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 11:08:03
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I'll bet the >3ms latency full featured monitor mixes sound just as good now and they did then. ;-)
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 11:13:53
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I just read up on the PACE license: "AAX plug-ins must be digitally signed and this requires a fee in certain cases." http://www.avid.com/US/pa...dio-plugin-dev-program I wonder how you get to be a "certain case" and how you get to be one of the many vendors who made updating to AAX seem simple.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 20:37:46
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I just read up on the PACE license: "AAX plug-ins must be digitally signed and this requires a fee in certain cases."
http://www.avid.com/US/pa...dio-plugin-dev-program
I wonder how you get to be a "certain case" and how you get to be one of the many vendors who made updating to AAX seem simple.
I think the fee does affect some smaller vendors. I think it is ironic that the issue is due to anti-piracy measures when pirates actually have no trouble getting around Pace
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 21:15:32
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If it is truly no trouble to get around PACE then the cost of fees, if any, don't seem like a convincing cause for small vendors to avoid updating to AAX. Consider, if you will, Michael Carnes as an example. He runs a one man show, he makes two plugins, he was one of the first vendors to offer AAXx64 compatibility. He answers emails promptly, he always seems to be working on a update to enhance his two plugins, and he seems to have time to enjoy skiing in winter and hiking in summer. The PACE doesn't seem to be slowing him down. :-) edit spelling
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 21:43:16
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mike_mccue
I just read up on the PACE license: "AAX plug-ins must be digitally signed and this requires a fee in certain cases."
http://www.avid.com/US/pa...dio-plugin-dev-program
I wonder how you get to be a "certain case" and how you get to be one of the many vendors who made updating to AAX seem simple.
I think the fee does affect some smaller vendors. I think it is ironic that the issue is due to anti-piracy measures when pirates actually have no trouble getting around Pace
I thought that iLok2 was secure. Are all the plugins cracked?
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/19 22:19:21
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ANY copy protection can be circumvented if somebody has the patience, time and motivation to do so. But digital signing doesn't have as much to do with anti-piracy as it does with Avid wanting Apple-like control over who gets to sell software for their platform. This scheme lets them dictate who can sell ProTools plugins, with the added bonus of collecting a commission.
The positive spin is that this will yield more reliable plugins that conform to standards set and enforced by Avid. No more letting third-party components crash the DAW. Unfortunately, as long as plugins run in the same process as the host, such assurance isn't really possible.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/20 21:46:41
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bitflipper
ANY copy protection can be circumvented if somebody has the patience, time and motivation to do so. But digital signing doesn't have as much to do with anti-piracy as it does with Avid wanting Apple-like control over who gets to sell software for their platform. This scheme lets them dictate who can sell ProTools plugins, with the added bonus of collecting a commission.
The positive spin is that this will yield more reliable plugins that conform to standards set and enforced by Avid. No more letting third-party components crash the DAW. Unfortunately, as long as plugins run in the same process as the host, such assurance isn't really possible.
I have heard that anything is breakable if the will is adequate; I just don't see that iLok2 has been broken yet. It's been out a while too.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 11:54:58
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mike_mccue
If it is truly no trouble to get around PACE then the cost of fees, if any, don't seem like a convincing cause for small vendors to avoid updating to AAX.
Consider, if you will, Michael Carnes as an example. He runs a one man show, he makes two plugins, he was one of the first vendors to offer AAXx64 compatibility. He answers emails promptly, he always seems to be working on a update to enhance his two plugins, and he seems to have time to enjoy skiing in winter and hiking in summer.
The PACE doesn't seem to be slowing him down. :-)
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The problem with these kind of anecdotes is they lack a lot of relevant information. Is his source of wealth the two plugins he develops or is he simply taking a loss a a labor of love? Every vendor is not in the same position. As far as the getting around pace thing, I'm sure you realized I was referring to pirates and not legit vendors. It would be really odd for a legit developer to release cracked plugins.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 11:58:09
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bitflipper
ANY copy protection can be circumvented if somebody has the patience, time and motivation to do so. But digital signing doesn't have as much to do with anti-piracy as it does with Avid wanting Apple-like control over who gets to sell software for their platform. This scheme lets them dictate who can sell ProTools plugins, with the added bonus of collecting a commission.
The positive spin is that this will yield more reliable plugins that conform to standards set and enforced by Avid. No more letting third-party components crash the DAW. Unfortunately, as long as plugins run in the same process as the host, such assurance isn't really possible.
I have heard that anything is breakable if the will is adequate; I just don't see that iLok2 has been broken yet. It's been out a while too.
I will keep this short and simple. Yes, there are programs that use ilok2 available to the dedicated pirate, but harder to find because most people using pirated software prefer the easy way. Any explanation would likely violate CoC.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 12:09:35
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Ok let's take for example the guys at FabFilter. I bought their plugins expressly because they were offering them as both AAXx64 and VSTx64.
How about PSP Audioware? That's why I bought Xenon.
Waves? Yes, I have S-1 and De-Esser running as x64 AAX.
An anecdote about a guy who can't afford a license fee so he can sell stuff, is just another type of anecdote. For all we know that guy that says he can't afford the license fee has all his money tied up in real estate in Maui as a labor of love.
In the case of Voxengo the proprietor says he can't get Pro Tools to work so he can't test his own plug ins in it.
Voxengo is slowly drifting in to past. For example, their premiere reverb, a really fine reverb, which I own and formally used as a go-to, is still stuck in x86, and it seems as if there is no intention of updating it.
Voxengo keeps sending me emails about their latest updates etc. but nothing they are doing is as important to me as learning that I can use their stuff on either/or DAW I am using at any given time.
I'd buy Pristine Space and Elephant all over again at full price in AAX, but apparently it is too hard for Aleksy to figure out how to get Pro Tools to run on his CPU.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 13:52:55
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Why debate the relative merits of copy protection or methods of strong arming Pro Tools users when there's so many alternatives? If the platform is proprietary then you have to live with it.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 19:27:49
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All I'm going to say is that when you buy into proprietary standards rather than open ones, well, you either get what you pay for or you pay for it.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 19:50:29
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That's all very interesting, but straying back to the OP, thanks for the heads up, Bit.
Voxengo SPAN is the one plug-in that is always in my master bus.
It's almost iconic, and it's still free.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 20:00:27
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All I'm going to say is that when you buy into proprietary standards rather than open ones, well, you either get what you pay for or you pay for it.
Pro Channel?
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 21:04:42
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drewfx1
All I'm going to say is that when you buy into proprietary standards rather than open ones, well, you either get what you pay for or you pay for it.
Pro Channel?
Ya, certainly valid to think about. If you buy all your FX in ProChannel only format, well you are then beholden to Cakewalk and you have to use Sonar, or lose your FX. That should affect what you ware willing to pay. Like I bought Concrete Limiter, because it was nice and cheap ($20-30 I paid I think) and good. However I wouldn't sink $200 on it, even if I thought it were that good, because I'd want something that would also work in Vegas and Sound Forge. I think it is a nice option to have, and I like the plugins that offer PC versions, but I still want the VST version if there's any real amount of money involved.
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Re: Voxengo SPAN Update
2014/10/21 21:11:50
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I'm just funning with Drew.
My initial entry into the thread was simply to voice some frustration that I don't get to use my Voxengo stuff more often.
Having said that I'm glad to learn that SPAN is finally VST3.
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