Elffin
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Vst plugin cull
Just started to go through and revaluate my plugins.. spent so much time collecting them and then updating them its wasted hours of my time.
I've used the opportunity to divide fx into different functions and seems to be an effective way of getting control and understand my now more limited toolset.
So .. I was just wondering what categories / class some people sort their plugins.. ie compressors, eq, utilites, metering, surround etc.
my compressors are sorted like this but some fit in more than 1 category.. Analogue style Track Bus
How do you guys sort your tools?
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 17:05:40
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Over the years I've whittled my collection down to the point where it no longer makes sense to organize them by category, since nowadays I'll only have 1 or 2 of each type. Instead, I organize them by vendor, e.g. Waves, FabFilter, Meldaproduction, Voxengo, and a large miscellaneous category called Rarely Used. That latter group holds all the stuff I don't use anymore but hang onto for compatibility with old projects. That's divided into: - Amp Sims and Distortion
- Dynamics (gates, comps, limiters)
- Delays
- Filters
- Instruments
- Measurement (various meters)
- Modulators (autopan, chorus, flanger, phaser, pitch shifter)
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 17:23:55
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☄ Helpfulby Elffin 2014/08/07 16:42:18
BTW, I have a little tool that I wrote for my own use that gathers information about all my VSTs and puts it into an Excel spreadsheet. It just occurred to me that others might find it useful, too. Especially while culling. Send me a PM with your email address if you'd like to try it out.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 18:23:28
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Culling... Wisdom here... Our next generation will probably hit the zenith of GAS and revert back to a very few tried and true basics. Hope this is the scenerio. Can see some forum up the road shaking their heads about the excesses of the old 2014 dudes.. Many of us here (or sorry, maybe just me...) chasing the latest and greatest, wasting time chasing the sound without actually producing the sound. Was listening to a couple Yardbirds clips from the last so ancient 1960's. Page and Beck. These guys had an amp and a spring reverb. Macho incredible stuff based on raw talent, inspiration and creative juice. Got about every hi dollar plug the Yen can buy, but can't do what they did. Less is more I'm beginning to understand. John
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 21:17:29
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Truth be told, about 80% of the time I use less than 10% of VSTs I have. Closer to 2% probably. I'll keep them around for past and future compatibility. It's the real reason I purchased to excess, to be ahead of what anyone might bring me in a collab or (good gracious) a mixing project.
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 21:18:25
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The sad part is, I could probably get really creative if I started using many of them just because I may have to approach the same problem a slightly different way.
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 21:21:57
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About 20-40% (hee hee) of my update time many be saved when I am finally all 64bit. And that good sirs is actually led by Harrison Mixbus. Once they are 64bit I can finally delete all my 32bit version of plugs that I have 64bit versions of.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 21:41:27
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When I upgraded to X3 this spring with a new computer, I left all my old 3rd party plugins behind...which I had folders full of...and kept all the installs, etc. Now, I only use what came with Cakewalk...and the Sony stuff I got with CD arch/Sound Forge/vegas/Acid. The Sony stuff I basically only use in the Sony programs..if I use them at all. My machine is so unclutter now in that dept, it is actually great. I don't need *legacy* plugins, because all my old stuff is already mixed and the few sessions I've revisited, my preference was the newer 64 bit plugs anyway.
It's like the old days in the studio when I had one Eventide, one LA3A, natural reverb chamber and a handful of good mics. You made decisions and moved on.
Not to mention, I LOVE reading about the new stuff, but the GAS is now gone. I'd rather have something more useful than another virtual reverb or compressor. That *something* might be..... another guitar!! ;-D
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/06 22:52:38
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I also used to have my plug-ins organized by type, but these days I try to stick with 64-bit plug-ins, so now I have fewer plug-ins and have minimized organizing my plug-ins by type. I am using more folders by manufacturers, although I still have an EQ folder a few single plug-ins. I'm trying to keep the number of 64-bit plug-ins small - back in the day I went a bit crazy with 32-bit plug-ins and had over 200 installed at one point. And the problem with that is that I ended trying out dozens of plug-ins on every project which ended up not being very efficient. I'm liking my smaller plug-in list these days.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 00:43:44
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bitflipper BTW, I have a little tool that I wrote for my own use that gathers information about all my VSTs and puts it into an Excel spreadsheet. It just occurred to me that others might find it useful, too. Especially while culling. Send me a PM with your email address if you'd like to try it out.
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Elffin
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 04:03:39
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Think I'll have an audition folder for Vst and limit testing to 10mins max... if the plugin can't replace a current plugin then its then deleted..
previously used plugs can then move to a 'Legacy' folder as suggested by Bitflipper.
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 10:06:20
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☄ Helpfulby Elffin 2014/08/07 16:41:59
I've emailed the exe to Elffin and musicroom. When I attempted to reply to your PMs the forum software popped up "Unknown error sending PM". Anybody else wants to try it out, let me know. I can't guarantee it'll work because I've never run it on any computer other than my own, but even if it fails it won't hurt anything.
post edited by bitflipper - 2014/08/07 10:19:42
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 10:08:38
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bit, you should know my email. I sent you juan last night.
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 10:25:30
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Ed, I didn't get the most recent email. I don't know why, you're not on my spam list, honest. But I do have your email address from previous correspondences, so I sent you the exe. EDIT: I found the email in my spam folder. Note that I had sent the file to your gmail address. If you don't get it, let me know and I'll re-send to the other email. EDIT 2: the email was bounced back, rejected by your email server because the attachment was a zip file containing an executable. I will try re-sending it, this time with the file renamed VSTInventory.txt. If that works, just rename the file to VSTInventory.zip. I'll see about copying it up to dropbox or something.
post edited by bitflipper - 2014/08/07 10:55:33
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 11:41:08
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 12:05:56
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/08/07 15:46:19
The easiest way to deal with this is to delete all your VST directories and then re-install the 7 VSTs you actually need. Easy breezy.
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Jeff M.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 12:08:43
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Chrome gave the "this may harm your computer" errors since it's an exe in a zip and blocked it, but can be overridden at the "if you really really want this, don't say we didn't warn you" prompt.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 12:34:28
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I rely on the meta data organization already in X3. It has my main plug-ins organized into categories that I simply right click on to go to any designated area. The categories are mastering,eq,drums,guitars and vocals among several others. ...at least my best plug-ins were set up that way. I have a huge misc. folder labeled and it has all of the odd stuff mostly labeled by manufacturer. All of my T-racks stuff is in there and a whole bunch of other stuff. I know where it is mostly by memory. I really have no intention to change that system until I replace the computer, and then I might do something similar to mixmkr and trim it down a bit, especially since I keep getting "you're not registered" messages on those T-racks plug-ins and I know darned well I am registered. I went through the process of registering a few of them but it seems they all need to be independently registered AGAIN... I don't ever see myself not using any third party plug-ins though...I'll always keep the ones I like best.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 12:51:26
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Jeff M. Chrome gave the "this may harm your computer" errors since it's an exe in a zip and blocked it, but can be overridden at the "if you really really want this, don't say we didn't warn you" prompt.
Thanks, Jeff.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 13:42:03
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Hi Bit, Downloaded fine with ie11 and ran without problems on my 32bit laptop. I though it hadn't worked at first so tried again and a then as administrator, it took a little bit of time to compile and so ended up with multiple sheets!!! Great little tool thanks for sharing!
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bitflipper
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 13:55:09
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Yeh, it's not a speedy process. It can take a minute or two, and there's no progress bar to let you know it's working. Maybe someday I'll fancy it up a bit. Probably not much I can do to speed it up, though; it has to open each DLL and get its version number. But the real slowdown is Excel, which is a dog to automate. EDIT: I added a progress bar to avoid that kind of confusion.
post edited by bitflipper - 2014/08/07 14:35:57
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 15:57:35
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Great bit. Thanks for sharing!!
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 16:02:56
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Grem Great bit. Thanks for sharing!!
+1 Thanks Bit!!
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Elffin
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 16:43:25
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Hi.. that programs is pretty nifty Bit. Its spotted all my 32bit plugins - cool. 1 question though.. it hasn't located any of my X64 plugins. Sorry bout this... (Using Vistax64)
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 17:14:36
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I got it from dropbox, thanks!
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 21:54:56
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Noice but it only looked at 32bit bit.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/07 23:38:33
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Ah, it's because I'm still in 32-bit land. I assumed the 64-bit plugs were registered in the same place, as there is an x64 bit flag there, and the few 64-bit plugins I've accidentally installed are all accounted for there as well. Bapu, could you take a look and tell me where the 64-bit VSTs are registered?
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/08 15:48:27
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Hey Dave, By registered do you mean installed directory? Not at the DAW right now. But email me what you need (i.e. registry entry?) and I'll get back to you.
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/08 16:11:34
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bapu
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Re: Vst plugin cull
2014/08/08 17:06:27
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McQ. No. TBH I have not even tried yet.
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