V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction

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2014/03/23 09:52:58 (permalink)

V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction

Hi folks,
Haven't been in here since Sonar V4 days, so I'm an essential newbie.  I couldn't find an answer with the throttled search after 15 minutes or so, but I suspect this has been addressed before, so feel free to RTFF me :)
I have both Sonar X2 with V-Vocal and Presonus Studio One with 30-day trial of Melodyne. In the latter, when I pitch-shift a blob, it also correctly stretches the transient waveforms connecting the two adjacent blobs leaving zero artifacts. Just push it up and down... simple. Conversely, V-vocal picks up the selected waveform and merely moves it vertically, connecting the two adjacent pieces with straight vertical lines. This of course, results in a pop or click that is more or less noticeable but always annoying. 
I've read all the "just smooth it out with the pencil", "sing it better to keep the corrections small", etc. but this is an absolute show-stopper for me with V-vocal. It increases the time per correction by 2X-3X and still always leaves some artifact because my mouse hand isn't as good at producing audio waveforms as my voice.
Even though I find Melodyne a bit better on several other fronts, I think v-vocal is sufficiently competent (and even better on some things like vibrato tool) that I don't find the need to purchase Melodyne compelling... except this issue.
I have to think the good folks at Roland are aware of this fatal flaw. Or better yet, one of you will point me at the "stretch transients, too" switch with an accompanying RTFM / RTFF...  :)
Thanks in advance!
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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/23 10:33:19 (permalink)
    Just so you know for the future, this is the older, (wrong) forum  there is a x series forum which has the majority of users ( help) now. 
     
    And All  can say it this is why I gave up on using V vocal. To buggy, And so far I've yet to get Melodyne to not crash Sonar. So I use Antares Auto tune. 

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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/23 11:58:22 (permalink)
    OK... thanks, Johnny. Debated which to post in but chose this one since it had way more threads... historical, I guess. I'll switch it over.
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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/24 09:41:19 (permalink)
    have you taken the time to visit the Celemony website to view the tutorial videos they have posted there?  There are lots of good things that will help you figure  out the intricacies of this program in those videos. I use ME  a lot, but I still learn something new every time I go to look at them....and I've been using ME for many years.
     
    I find that in most cases, I am able to work with notes that are pretty far from the correct pitch and get them to sound right. It takes some effort and time, but that's the price for getting it right. And with little to no artifacts remaining after the edits.
     
    Of course the closer the part is to being right to start with , the easier it is to fix without leaving artifacts.
     
    Another tip: do not use the auto correct function. It often "breaks" things that are not broken to start with.... then you end up having to undo what Editor just did. I learned this the hard way and was having trouble fixing things that were "off" and had artifacts after the auto correct, that were damn close to perfect before the auto correct was run.  It's easier and more accurate to work through the track, section by section, fixing as you go only what actually sounds off pitch or time to you, and saving the project after each edit.
     
    Editor and Melodyne in general, are pretty heavy on the CPU. In some computers, that equates to a major CPU draw, and as was the case on my lappy, lots of seeming bugs and crashes. On the DAW however, with more CPU power to begin with, ME runs extremely well and fast...... but I still click save after the big edits...old habits, you know.

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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/24 10:37:46 (permalink)
    This is just one of the things Melodyne does better than V-Vocal. In V-V if you're adjusting more than a few cents you'll likely need to draw in the transitions manually. Use the line tool rather than the pencil tool, though.
     
     


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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/24 13:05:36 (permalink)
    Thanks Herb, but as the original post says, my problem is with V-Vocal, not Melodyne. I found Melodyne incredibly intuitive and useful right out of the box, and had a 4-part acapella tune cleaned up pitch-wise in almost no time. On the other hand, with the same song, I gave up on V-Vocal after a day due to this apparently unavoidable insertion of vertical transients. That's when I went looking for V-V tutorials to see if I was missing something or a better way than tediously drawing the transients back in. Oh well, maybe for my birthday next month, I treat myself to Melodyne. Frustrating because I think Roland would have a real product if they fixed this one obvious eye sore. Annoying too because one of the reasons I bought X2 Producer was to get "professional" integrated pitch correction. Studio One's definitely picked the right one to integrate with. 
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    Re: V-vocal adds pop artifact with every pitch shift requiring manual correction 2014/03/25 08:00:31 (permalink)
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    Thanks Herb, but as the original post says, my problem is with V-Vocal, not Melodyne.
    BTW - Really like your music at herbhartley.com!



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