Vyzor for VoiceWorks in Sonar X1b

I am trying (without success at this point) to use "Vyzor" (an editor for TC-Helicon's "VoiceWorks" that can be used stand-alone or as a VST plugin) in Sonar X1b.
 
I'm given two choices in the Plugin Manager for the VST: either as an instrument or an audio FX. Therein lies the the problem ... Vyzor is a MIDI based editor and Sonar wants to implement it as an audio device (part or the error report states "device is not compatible with current audio setup").
 
Psicraft (who is responsible for the support of Vyzor) states that it will work in Sonar. It can be used as a VST in the Cantabile Performer.
 
What am I missing in the plugin setup window (Simple Instrument, Multi-out, Track of Its Own, etc.) that would enable me to use this plugin?
 
Thanks,
Doug

Thanks, Sven, I'll see what I can find.

OK. Got it working.

Here is what I have found....

1. The Vyzor software can access user locations and you can store them back to the VW+. What doesn't work with this VST is for it to upload the factory banks so you can easily choose a different patch and just use the VST to select the next preset. A little frustrating.

2. You can tweak the engine to your hearts content with the VST. No automation however.

3. There seems to be a conflict with running the device from the VST and a midi keyboard for performance or even testing. I could not get both to function at once or even switching between them using single midi line to and from the unit. (Using an Axiom 49 as my midi source) The ideal method would be to have the VST for tweaking the device through Sonar then quickly try out the effect using the keyboard in conjunction with a vocal or vocal track. You must do these in separate processes reconnecting midi cables. The device needs to be run by one or the other but not both.

4. If you just want to be able to change presets from Sonar, you can skip the VST all together and use an ins file with a midi track. There is a version of the Voiceworks ins file out on the internet and you can use this to adapt and build a new ins for VoiceworksPlus. Works great and I can select the patch from Sonar and then use the keyboard immediately for testing the outcome. This method however requires you tweak the engine, i.e. delays, fxs and harmony types from the front of the device.

If you can build two midi paths, one for studio fx control and another for utilizing a midi controller with a splitter, you might have the best of all worlds. The unit takes control commands for operation but is designed to use a midi keyboard for harmonies, swells etc as you sing or run a vocal track through it.

If anyone has figured out how to dump the factory banks from the device to the VST, shout out. Let me know if you have any questions.

Middleman,

Thanks for the detailed reply (I got it awhile ago, but I don't have access to the Internet at home and couldn't get back to you).

I can get the standalone version of Vyzor to do what I need, but would still like to use it as a VST.

When I insert it as a SoftSynth, it has to be put in as a MIDI Control (or something like that). I use Cakewalk's UM-3G 3x3 MIDI iterface and have to release the MIDI devices from Sonar before Vyzor. When I'm done with that, I have to reverse the process in order to use them in Sonar (a real pain).

I read a post from Tony over at Psicraft stating something about the drivers for the MIDI device must be set as "Multi-client", but have been unable to find where that is done.

This is becoming too much work to use something that I only need when I need vocal harmonies for a project the I intend to use live.

I'll keep trying when I have extra time and thanks again for you great reply!

Doug

Middleman,

I apologize for the delay in getting back to you ...... no Internet connection at the house.

I took your advise and went with the Instrument Definition route and all is well. I can create a MIDI file from the project with the settings and changes for the VoiceWorks and vocal FX unit and send them through the correct outs from Cantabile Performer. Much easier!

Thanks again,

Doug