Tripecac
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***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
I posted in the X1 forum a list of things in Sonar X1 which were (in my opinion) handled better in Sonar 8.5.3. I stated that some of the X1 changes were frustrating enough for me to revert to 8.5.3. My post was not (in my opinion) inflammatory or off-topic. However, because it did clearly communicate my frustration with X1, it had the potential of deterring people from upgrading to X1. In an apparent effort to prevent my post from affecting sales, Cakewalk moved my post from the Sonar X1 forum to the Coffee House. Since users looking for X1 pros and cons are unlikely to visit the Coffee House, Cakewalk effectively "silenced" my post. Was this act of censorship warranted? You be the judge: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2383678 Just keep in mind that this forum belongs to Cakewalk, and they have the right to do whatever they want on here in order to protect sales. They just need to keep in mind that it forum users can be very judgmental when it comes to censorship. p.s. I find it interesting that Cakewalk is investing time censoring posts on the forum when the forum software itself is in desperate need of an update so that it works in Firefox 6! Cakewalk's priorities these days definitely seem to be aligned with getting short-term sales rather than keeping long-time users happy. p.p.s. Let's see if they censor this post as well.
post edited by Tripecac - 2011/09/08 13:37:53
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:44:46
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My thought is that Cakewalk as a company provides and pays for this fourm. I can understand why they wouldn't post bashing—and, in fact, I think it is noble that they put it in the public coffee house. (I'm not saying you were bashing; I'm just laying out the principle.)
If your question is where to draw the line between comparing features (positively or negatively) of the current release with past releases v. outright criticism of the product, I understand that is a judgment call. We may not always agree with where Cakewalk draws the line, but it is their call.
I don't want to make you mad and I completely understand your frustration, but I think they are within their rights. Censorship really applies to governmental intervention—not to companies choosing what they pay to publish. I have run websites before and I did not publish all comments.
Sorry, bro.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:45:33
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I'm usually not this short on this forum but -- Please get over yourself.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:49:35
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My two cents...
First, I didn't read all of your post...I will go back and do so...but my first impression is that the several HATEs in caps is what got this post moved.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:50:08
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In an apparent effort to prevent my post from affecting sales I don't think there's a very sound basis for making the presumption. If that were the primary motive, there would be dozens of threads being moved every day. I'd wager it was moved not because of the content of your opening post, but because of the inanity and irrelevance of most of the responses. 
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:54:13
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Damn ... that didn't take long to get kicked down the stairs.
Sorry Tripecac.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 13:54:45
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Having participated in the thread - and I probably helped move it (sorry 'bout that) I don't think it was the criticism, it was the the way it moved to a discussion about happy campers versus unhappy campers and would have ended up another b***h fest. Cakewalk has always handled (IMO) complaints with patience. EDIT: Wow! That got moved while I was typing! Brian
post edited by Stone House Studios - 2011/09/08 13:56:01
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:00:17
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At least the posts down here won't be inane or irrelevant.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:03:38
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spacey
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:09:31
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Tripecac
I posted in the X1 forum a list of things in Sonar X1 which were (in my opinion) handled better in Sonar 8.5.3. I stated that some of the X1 changes were frustrating enough for me to revert to 8.5.3.
My post was not (in my opinion) inflammatory or off-topic. However, because it did clearly communicate my frustration with X1, it had the potential of deterring people from upgrading to X1.
In an apparent effort to prevent my post from affecting sales, Cakewalk moved my post from the Sonar X1 forum to the Coffee House. Since users looking for X1 pros and cons are unlikely to visit the Coffee House, Cakewalk effectively "silenced" my post.
Was this act of censorship warranted? You be the judge: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2383678
Just keep in mind that this forum belongs to Cakewalk, and they have the right to do whatever they want on here in order to protect sales. They just need to keep in mind that it forum users can be very judgmental when it comes to censorship.
p.s. I find it interesting that Cakewalk is investing time censoring posts on the forum when the forum software itself is in desperate need of an update so that it works in Firefox 6! Cakewalk's priorities these days definitely seem to be aligned with getting short-term sales rather than keeping long-time users happy.
p.p.s. Let's see if they censor this post as well.
Why did you make the move from 8.5 ? You must have liked the trial version of X1, correct?
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Tripecac
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:10:50
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I'd wager it was moved not because of the content of your opening post, but because of the inanity and irrelevance of most of the responses. So why was this "warning" topic moved to Coffee House as well? The responses have been on-topic, right? Cakewalk moved it before it had a chance to devolve into irrelevant chatter and/or flaming. I really do think they move topics which could hurt sales. Why else would Cakewalk pay someone to moderate forums? It's definitely their right (and shareholders might say responsibility) to protect sales by moderating "unfavorable" forum content. I just find it interesting that they are so FAST at moderating and so SLOW at fixing the Firefox 6 bug. This, to me, supports the notion that the recession has put greater financial pressure on Cakewalk than we're used to seeing.
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bapu
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:13:11
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It's a conspiracy I tell ya.
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spacey
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:14:55
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Tripecac
I'd wager it was moved not because of the content of your opening post, but because of the inanity and irrelevance of most of the responses.
So why was this "warning" topic moved to Coffee House as well? The responses have been on-topic, right? Cakewalk moved it before it had a chance to devolve into irrelevant chatter and/or flaming.
I really do think they move topics which could hurt sales. Why else would Cakewalk pay someone to moderate forums? It's definitely their right (and shareholders might say responsibility) to protect sales by moderating "unfavorable" forum content.
I just find it interesting that they are so FAST at moderating and so SLOW at fixing the Firefox 6 bug. This, to me, supports the notion that the recession has put greater financial pressure on Cakewalk than we're used to seeing.
Why didn't you answer me?
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Tripecac
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:19:08
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Why did you make the move from 8.5 ? You must have liked the trial version of X1, correct? I bought X1 before the demo came out. This is the last time I'll do that!
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:24:36
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Oh....me too.
I use it mostly for audio and very little midi so it works for the little bit I've done with it.
Sorry it's been a bummer but geeze...the CH ain't so bad. Full of the bightest and nicest minds I believe.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:25:22
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spacey
Why didn't you answer me?
He did the same thing I did, he fell for all the fanboi's lies and didn't feel the need to wait for the demo and jumped on the $99 deal. Which by the way, if I remember correctly, was touted as a limited time offer to nudge you in to buying it faster. Get it now, no guarantee the $99 offer will stand ... better hurry. Oh Demo? ... well, there is no demo, so you better hurry or you won't get the $99 deal.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:27:51
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It's a conspiracy I tells ya.
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spacey
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:28:51
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I jumped for the "mo mem" and 64 bit because I had computer dealings going on at that time.
I'm not sure about all the issues but I guess having a new 64 bit clean machine sure helped- other than the bugs- which seemed mostly related to stuff I didn't use...which is not a very meaningful statement because I have used it little and limited function then.
I hope it can handle what I'll do when I get back to doing it.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:37:52
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 14:41:21
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Mrs Trolling...I remember her. 7th grade english/spelling. Now ya'll know who to blame and the real meaning.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 15:26:55
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 Somehow, the reenactment never seems quite as entertaining as the original story...
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 15:28:11
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spacey
Oh....me too.
I use it mostly for audio and very little midi so it works for the little bit I've done with it.
Sorry it's been a bummer but geeze...the CH ain't so bad. Full of the bightest and nicest minds I believe.
Yuh Uh. That AM right. You AM gonna find many nice and brite mends don here! Welkum.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 15:34:23
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The goat picture is the very funniest reply to anything, ever. The rest of the day will be brighter.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 15:42:07
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 16:17:16
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UB always gets somebodies goat up "there"... 
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 17:34:47
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I really do think they move topics which could hurt sales. Blimey, That would be such an unfair thing wouldn't it? You'll be accusing software vendors of trying to make a profit next...  Tripecac.....good name.
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 18:45:03
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 18:59:31
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Lots of threads getting dumped on us....
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 19:12:28
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There are even very special threads created just for that purpose. And then another one goes up to complain about that(so it seems) 
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Re:***WARNING*** Cakewalk will move criticism of X1 to Coffee House
2011/09/08 20:03:13
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Tripecac.....good name.
That's what I was thinking. What would happen if tripe was mixed with cack?
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