pwalpwal
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WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
as i understand it, wasapi is also a 'layer" that utilises the WDM driver for a device, much like ASIO4ALL, so I was wondering if anyone has compared the two yet? (i saw some comparisons against "real" asio drivers, but not asio4all, which to me is more in that same ballpark than a well-written asio driver, as it also addresses the wdm driver...) so... is it time to say good bye to that old friend, asio4all? thoughts?
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 08:37:22
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For me is ASIO4ALL still working fine, better than as the original NI driver for my komplete audio 6 interface. WASAPI doesn't work in my system. Therefore no "good bye" to asio4all.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 13:34:49
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WASAPI is really only for onboard audio devices like Realtek chipsets, as I understand it. Also, it only improves performance on Win 10 systems.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 14:21:18
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Its for any audio device that supports it. Not all do.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 14:27:09
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That would be an interesting test. I just might try that once I get this new computer up to speed. I'm fighting with MS on upgrading it to Windows 10. The down loader stalls at 99%. I started on Sunday night. 4 tries so far but I now downloaded the ISO image and will try that tonight. Once I get that sorted I will be switching my main DAW to this machine as it is seemingly more powerful ( i7 3.5) I could then sacrifice my old DAW machine and install asio4all out of curiosity and run a few tests to see which performs better. I would not be tempted to install asio4all on any DAW I cared about.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 15:24:09
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I've been having a play with using my laptop and SPlat in Wasabi Exclusive mode and it seem fine with latency of 3ms. My normal interface is a Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 which I don't carry with me unless I'm doing serious location recording. But the former seems a big step in the right direction. I just wish that Focusrite would update their first generation drivers for the 6i6. I feel that they are dragging their heels so everyone updates to the new 2nd gen interfaces.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 17:45:59
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Going back a few years I was using a Cakewalk (actually Presonus until Roland bought Presonus) UA-101 interface with X1 and Windows Vista.
There were a couple of bugs in X1 at the time which went away when I tried switching from ASIO to WASAPI. The Roland WASAPI driver gave very similar latency and system load results as the Roland ASIO driver.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 18:25:38
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/12/09 06:52:40
I would be very surprised if asio4all came anywhere near wasapi under Windows 10 for latency. Microsoft have made many Improvements to wasapi.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 19:27:56
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I am getting about the same latency (playback and VSTi only) on my laptop with ASIO4ALL and the Realtek audio chip, as my DAW workstation sees running ASIO over a FireWire audio interface. It will be interesting to test the new, improved WASAPI drivers on the laptop. The laptop is not something I particularly care about, it's just a portable office that I loaded it up with the audio toys to play with away from home
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/08 19:41:21
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2016/12/09 06:48:38
WASAPI works great on my machine, but for Live 8 I still need ASIO4ALL.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 05:42:01
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Anyone tried new Wasapi with a laptop running Win7 ?
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pwalpwal
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 06:48:18
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ChazEd WASAPI works great on my machine, but for Live 8 I still need ASIO4ALL.
i think this is now the clincher - maintaining a single drivers configs, versus two
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pwalpwal
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 06:52:27
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tenfoot I would be very surprised if asio4all came anywhere near wasapi under Windows 10 for latency. Microsoft have made many Improvements to wasapi.
hence the question! they both go via wdm
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 12:32:02
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For me the big deal with WASAPI is I no longer need to carry around an ASIO interface for my laptop, and can use the internal sound chip. I've done RTL tests and have gotten as low as 4-5 ms to 7-8 ms. I haven't yet figured out what I did to get it down to 4-5 ms but even 7-8 ms is sooooo much less than MME (which I believe stands for Multi Media Excrement). I can't compare to ASIO4ALL because no matter what latency I choose, after a few minutes it starts crackling and going nuts. Interestingly, often the fix is to set the latency much lower, but it still ends up going nuts after a couple minutes. You might want to stick with ASIO4ALL for now since it does work on your system, AFAIK SONAR is the only program that takes advantage of the new driver model. I'm sure other companies will follow (and given how many laptoppers use Live, I would assume it's in their product plans) but who knows how long that will take.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 15:56:25
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Afrodrum Anyone tried new Wasapi with a laptop running Win7 ?
It's only meant for Win 10, at least that's what I read
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 16:38:32
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I think it may be you only get the full advantages with Windows 10. Maybe someone can try it on 7 or 8 and clue us in.
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pwalpwal
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 16:46:10
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wasapi was introduced in vista(!) but the new stuff is win10 only
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 19:26:32
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I tested it on 3 Windows 7 machines and it's no better than WDM mode. I had a thread here somewhere with screenshots showing my loopback tests. On W7 it's late by more than a 1/16 note, W 10 it was only late by a 1/64th. ( note: ASIO mode on all machines was right on) Works fine for playback but so does WDM or even MME mode. So, it works but there's no improvement unless you upgrade to W 10 which is what I just did with one computer. On windows 7 you can still use it if your doing a lot of stuff like playback and editing, but be aware if you overdub audio it will be out of sync. You'll need to use manual offset to fix it. It's best use is for working with on board audio, Some interfaces will not support it and there's no point using it instead of supplied ASIO drivers anyhow.
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Re: WASAPI vs ASIO4ALL
2016/12/09 21:05:47
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I'll be that "Wasabi exclusive mode" goes good on sushi...
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