WAVES ADT and Sonar X3

Just an FYI that a few of us "downstairs dwellers" have discovered regarding X3 and the new WAVES Reel ADT plug.  It seems that:
Because of the specific mixer architecture in Sonar, It appears there is actually no use for the Mono->Stereo component under Sonar.
If you need a Mono to Stereo effect under Sonar, load the Stereo component on a track with a Mono audio file playing.
 
This is according to WAVES tech support.  I haven't a clue what the mystery "mixer architecture" is...and would very much like to know, so hip me if you do.  But I do know that the mono to stereo, while providing the effect, does not let you pan the source and the adt as you should be able to.  No biggie.  Maybe one of the Bakers can weigh in on this.  Noel??

So we should just use stereo plugs if we want stereo effects and never use any mono to stereo versions of ANY plug??

Well, I guess my question in answer to your question would be:  Why the heck do they make such things in the first place? I have a mono vocal.  I want to use ADT with it which, for the full effect, produces a stereo output.  I would logically think what I should use is the mono to stereo version.  Or would I?  Quite frankly, lots of my way too large plugin collections offerings have mono to stereo versions.  My assumption is there's a valid and ubiquitous need and/or usage for such.  Could I be wrong???  It wouldn't be the first time;-)
 

Well, in this case it's fairly pointless as I can simply instantiate a full stereo version of the plug.  So again my question becomes:  Why use mono to stereo at all...for any plugin??
 

It seems like it would be fairly common to take a mono input (a vocal or guitar, perhaps) and create a stereo output (delay, reverb, chorus, etc.). Would you just use a stereo plugin? I'm confused now, because I thought I had been doing this for years.Does the Waves ADT plugin work on a mono channel? I haven't tried it yet.
 

Sorry for being so thick headed Noel, but you've just described my question but not answered it. Are you saying that all mono to stereo plugs DO NOT WORK in Sonar...or just the WAVES ADT version???

Got it. Thanks, ol pal. Give my best to yor talented missus, and keep amazing folks with both of you guy's chops and totally pro musicality. Ya talented bastard, ya!! :-)


I'll be headin back downstairs now.

Rock on, ol pal. Rock on!

Anderton
I don't see a need for mono-to-stereo. I record mono sources all the time (vocals, guitar) with mono tracks, insert stereo plugs, get stereo outputs. Problem (if in fact there was one!) solved.

Me as well Craig.
 
As a matter of fact Olpal, I don't even have any of the mono plugs showing in my plugin manager. I HATE all the ones that Waves and UAD give me. But I've never had a problem using stereo plugs in mono tracks. At the end of the day, you're not going to get "stereo compression" or "eq". The only time it becomes something that would be stereo is when you use effects like delay or a chorus....phaser, reverb, you get the idea. But stuff like wah, over-drive/distortion, eq, compression, filters, and anything that is more a processing effect as opposed to an enhancement effect.....you won't see any issues just using the stereo versions in my opinion.
 
Now that said, you DO hear a difference with the new UAD Fairchild tube stuff. The mono version (which is also stereo) of the 660 to me sounds different than the 670 which is full stereo. Though they try to push one as "mono" they are both stereo yet sound like two different beasts. But for the most part, I don't think you'll ever run into any issues by just staying stereo unless you have some sort of weird routing need.
 
-Danny

From previous threads, with UAD at least, their genuine mono plugs use less DSP resource than stereo ones, but aren't usable in SONAR (this may have changed with X3E and recent updates to UAD plugs, so don't quote me!).

I think Waves tends to *try* and over-complicate, not because the DAW doesn't provide a feature Waves plugs are expecting, but rather that Waves doesn't have full control of the DAW.