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WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
Hey guys, is X3 rock solid? Did they improve it in comparison with X2a?
Thanks a lot!
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 17:00:58
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X3's stability has been excellent for me...no problems to report.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 17:57:26
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Same here... most stable product ever and I started way back in Sonar 5 days...X3 is bliss compared to anything prior...
While many are reporting specific issues or instances of a problem here and there, I'm in heaven... have even tried to max out my ram with a dozen songs loaded at once, all using various Sonar versions, to force a crash which was easy before... with nary a hiccup!
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 18:49:10
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Same here. X1d real stable, X2a real shaky, X3 so far is at least as stable as X1d was.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 20:18:52
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They've definitely tweaked the audio engine, or perhaps the core of the program for X3, it just feels generally snappier.
One other thing I've noticed is that if you walk away from the computer with a Sonar project open, for say 20 minutes, come back, hit spacebar. it plays right away.
Sonar X2 would hang for a short interval, then playback. Not a big deal, but evidence that some tweaking has been done.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 20:28:21
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noynekker
They've definitely tweaked the audio engine, or perhaps the core of the program for X3, it just feels generally snappier.
I installed last night so haven't played much but my initial feeling is exactly as you mentioned above in comparison to past experience with X1. noynekker
One other thing I've noticed is that if you walk away from the computer with a Sonar project open, for say 20 minutes, come back, hit spacebar. it plays right away.
Sonar X2 would hang for a short interval, then playback. Not a big deal, but evidence that some tweaking has been done.
Some tracks still takes a while to play after hitting space bar but those are loaded with plugins and FX, so I was kinda expecting it.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 20:32:19
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If I walked away from X2a for a bit, the audio engine would almost always stop. This has not happened in X3 as yet.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 20:57:45
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So far X3 is vastly more stable than X2 ever was for us. Many people had great luck with X2 but that just wasn't the case for our particular system and we ended up reverting back to X1d for the entire life cycle of X2. Keep in mind that we torture our systems on a daily basis with high track/plug counts and I realize that is not everybody's experience.
That being said, X3, on the exact same system build that we used before, runs noticeably more robust. Changing screen sets, looping during playback, inserting native effects, all seem more stable than before. In fact one of the only issues we encountered so far, and this is only twice, is that Addictive Drums seems to loose sync during playback. But even this seems rare and may have more to do with the XLN side of things.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 21:11:30
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seems to be pretty stable. I ran some tests today and things seem to run smooth
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 21:18:11
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aixmusique
Hey guys, is X3 rock solid? Did they improve it in comparison with X2a?
Thanks a lot!
No offence, but that's a redundant question, there's no correct answer. Why? Because many users, such as myself, consider X2a rock solid. There are so many variables that will determine your definition of "stable" (system configuration, peripherals, drive speeds, interface, etc).
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/12 22:01:39
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aixmusique
Hey guys, is X3 rock solid? Did they improve it in comparison with X2a?
Thanks a lot!
Although I did have a stability problem for a couple days, I traced it to a possible corrupted download of the X3b patch. Since I rolled it back to X3a, I can throw the kitchen sink at it and it just keeps on ticken. If I have time, I'll re-download the X3b patch or maybe just wait for X3C. Walt
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 01:17:07
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How do you rollback? Just curious to know.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 02:42:35
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Since I upgraded my GREEN C drive to an SSD this week, not even a hiccup. Running perfectly here. But, until I made that change, I had various problems. So, it will depend on YOUR setup I think.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 10:41:27
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Very stable for me. I had all kinds of freezes, audio drop-outs with X2. Not a prob yet, with X3b...
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 11:09:06
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☄ Helpfulby lawp 2013/10/13 11:12:02
What about an update of X2a ---> X2b with that built in stability CW?
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 12:19:59
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I'm one of the people who had very few problems with X2a, so stability wasn't much of an issue. However, I agree with the comments about X3 being "snappier" and "smoother." I believe what happened is someone at Cakewalk took SONAR apart, sprayed it with WD-40, then put it back together again.  Meanwhile I haven't yet had a crash or freeze. I would have expected at least some "new update" hiccups or something. Very encouraging.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 12:25:07
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Geez, Craig. You'd figure they'd give you Moderator status at this point. ;-)
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 12:28:46
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equality
What about an update of X2a ---> X2b with that built in stability CW?
Well I'm not a programmer, so I may be totally off base here, but it seems that Cakewalk did a whole lot of work under the hood in going from X2 to X3. If they put the same amount of work into X2a, then I assume they'd have to charge for an X2b update and at that point, it would probably make more sense to update to X3. The only stability problems I experienced with X2 occurred if I tried to apply V-Vocal to individual takes in Take Lanes, but it didn't happen enough for me to reproduce it. So my fix was just to drag the clip that needed V-Vocal processing into its own track. The other issue was the audio "motorboating"/freeze if I did lots of moving loop points around while Sonar was looping. My fix there was to remember to stop Sonar periodically and re-start when playing back a looped section over and over. Any bug is annoying, but at least for me those weren't show-stoppers.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 12:43:24
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satyatunes
How do you rollback? Just curious to know.
I used System Restore to go back to a date previous to the installation of the X3b patch. It in the start menu under: all programs/accessories/system tools/system restore. This tool is useful if you've installed some software and things go bad.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 14:10:00
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ah ok, In X1 days they had some kind of utility that did the trick. I thought you found something similar. All is well here so no need of rollback at this point.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 15:17:16
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I upgraded from a very solid X1e and have had great performance with X3.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 16:15:33
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Anderton
However, I agree with the comments about X3 being "snappier" and "smoother." I believe what happened is someone at Cakewalk took SONAR apart, sprayed it with WD-40, then put it back together again.
Meanwhile I haven't yet had a crash or freeze. I would have expected at least some "new update" hiccups or something. Very encouraging.
Close, but I used DoxIT Gold spray. I've found that spray works like magic :-)
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/13 16:16:56
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Anderton
I agree with the comments about X3 being "snappier" and "smoother."
I haven't yet had a crash or freeze.
All in all very stable in my experience. I have had some crashes but in my experience nothing out of the ordinary. X3 seems to handle them much better and recover's very nicely.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 03:12:02
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It's fairly stable for me, although still getting blue screens when working with wave files...the more I work it, the higher probability it's going to happen. If I close and then load another project, it's usually not long before a problem occurs. I've since uninstalled and then re-installed in safe mode and am currently testing.
Other than that, it's good. My Alchemy plug-in however asks me to locate its data every time I run a scan, which I do once on start-up. I'm not sure whether I need to do a scan every time though.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 04:44:39
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Great news all round guys!
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 05:13:32
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With my limited testing (mostly playback & rough mixing) - X3 appears to be the be the best release yet.
My desktop died and has yet to be replaced so I been having to use my laptop, a HP Pavilion Duo-core Win 7 64bit system w 4GB RAM using Quad-Capture USB interface.
With this system and when using any previous version of Sonar I had to start with a clean boot and often I'd only get to work around 15 minutes on my 'big' project before Sonar would lock up, or my system would blue screen or something else would stop me.
I fired up X3 last week with Outlook 2010 and a bunch of other crap running just to see if I could do it (with this kind of a load using X2 my big project would have choked almost immediately after hitting play) and it ran fine - every now & then the playback would glitch slightly but it didn't crash. I'm impressed.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 08:05:41
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aixmusique
Hey guys, is X3 rock solid? Did they improve it in comparison with X2a?
Thanks a lot!
I have the same problem as I did in x2a as I do now in x3b. If I have my HP 2711x LED display connected via HDMI as an extended monitor on my notebook and then try and change driver in sonar from MME to ASIO sonar crashes out. I ran windbg against the dump file for a finger print analysis, and see an access violation occurred (0xc0000005). I tried to post the analysis in this forum but the forum editor crashes out...
0:000> !analyze -v
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*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for CJLibrary.dll -
FAULTING_IP:
SONARSTD+924fe4
00000001`40924fe4 4c8b0cc2 mov r9,qword ptr [rdx+rax*8]
EXCEPTION_RECORD: ffffffffffffffff -- (.exr 0xffffffffffffffff)
ExceptionAddress: 0000000140924fe4 (SONARSTD+0x0000000000924fe4)
ExceptionCode: c0000005 (Access violation)
ExceptionFlags: 00000000 NumberParameters: 2
Parameter[0]: 0000000000000000
Parameter[1]: fffffffffffffff8 Attempt to read from address fffffffffffffff8
I have no problem with any other app on this system when I have the display connected, only sonar - then again no other app I have installed on my system uses ASIO. The root cause I would think is the Operating System seems to think the HP 2711x display monitor has some sort of Intel Audio Device built-in but it doesn't... I would think though sonar should handle this exception a bit better. Anyway I posted in one of the hp forums about this but have not had any reply.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 08:10:27
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Jimmy Boy, we doth meet again! Windows will show your display adapter has having an audio device, disable it. And yet again, please display your system in your sig 
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 08:15:00
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Btw, back to the OP....
X3b has been bloomin' marvellous for me. Very stable. Loving the New Blue Plugs, Loving the Tape Emulator, loving the colours and LOVING Melodyne.
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Re: WHAT ABOUT X3'S PRODUCER'S STABILITY?
2013/10/14 08:22:21
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Jimmy Boy, we doth meet again!
Windows will show your display adapter has having an audio device, disable it.
And yet again, please display your system in your sig
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