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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 11:34:40 (permalink)
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If you were to look for a good analyser which one would you get?


My choice at the moment is Melda Productions MAnalyzer but like all VSTs it's the window management where it falls down. On the PC it's there with no need to click, one view instantly visible, that's my main reason for wanting a PC analyser.
Think I'll check this one out...until a PC  analyser shows up....


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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 13:32:18 (permalink)
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If you were to look for a good analyser which one would you get?
My choice at the moment is Melda Productions MAnalyzer but like all VSTs it's the window management where it falls down. On the PC it's there with no need to click, one view instantly visible, that's my main reason for wanting a PC analyser.
So in other words, you'd rather have all your VST's crammed and locked in to a tiny 2inch by 2inch barely visible area rather than a scalable/resizable free standing VST such as the MAnalyzer?

Really?

Just use a screenset for it ... after all, you do love them.

You've taken this fanboi thing to a whole new level FBB. I suppose some kind of congratulations are in order. ;)


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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 14:18:42 (permalink)
I'm sure you have more to worry about than my chosen work flow, so don't get too concerned over it.
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 14:28:42 (permalink)
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I'm sure you have more to worry about than my chosen work flow, so don't get too concerned over it.
Naww ... it's ok sweetie. I'll let you win the next one.

LOFL!

You're friend,

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 15:04:28 (permalink)
It's fairly obvious to me what the value of an on-the-strip analyser would be, which would be looking at the console view and having a bunch of them right there simultaneously for quick reference. I wouldn't even have it on the ProChannel, I'd have it on the regular strip, so yeah, even smaller. WHAT AM I, SOME KIND OF SICKO?

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 15:15:26 (permalink)
Seems we must have the same 'problem'.....

I do agree that making it's use compulsory is a bit much though.
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 16:26:17 (permalink)
...you'd rather have all your VST's crammed and locked in to a tiny 2inch by 2inch barely visible area

 
Despite the smaller area than some VSTs, I would never consider the PC to have a "barely visible" area.  Besides, I don't think I've ever seen the controls of a VST get larger when expanded, just the area on which those controls lie, or just a blank area around the interface itself.   So if you're looking for outright more controls in one area, yeah, I can see the PC's limitations there.  But certainly not for overall vsisbility.
 

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 16:52:59 (permalink)
People are already complaining on here about how small the fonts are in the PC's EQ module ... how big do you think they are going to be if you limit an analyzer screen to the fixed width of the Pro Channel? Pretty small I'd say.

I'd rather see them concentrate on fixing a few more bugs than waste time producing a limited crippleware version of something that's readily available for free.




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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:02:51 (permalink)
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People are already complaining on here about how small the fonts are in the PC's EQ module ... how big do you think they are going to be if you limit an analyzer screen to the fixed width of the Pro Channel? Pretty small I'd say.

And those complaining of course won't have to buy it.........

I'd rather see them concentrate on fixing a few more bugs than waste time producing a limited crippleware version of something that's readily available for free.
So where do I get the free analyser that brings it's display to the front when I select the track? Link please...


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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:12:05 (permalink)
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People are already complaining on here about how small the fonts are in the PC's EQ module ... how big do you think they are going to be if you limit an analyzer screen to the fixed width of the Pro Channel? Pretty small I'd say.
And those complaining of course won't have to buy it.........
I'd rather see them concentrate on fixing a few more bugs than waste time producing a limited crippleware version of something that's readily available for free.
So where do I get the free analyser that brings it's display to the front when I select the track? Link please...
You can set them all to display any way you would like with screensets. Or are they becoming too inconvenient for your current argument as well?

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:13:34 (permalink)
As I was saying, I can think of a use case where smaller views are superior to larger views. The way I imagine it is this:



So you've got some degree of live metering for all channels at once. I'd find that really useful for a high level pass at tracking down mix problems. Then you could open something larger and more detailed for working individual tracks. It's not an either / or proposition.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:18:22 (permalink)
Nobody uses CV anymore because they crippled the FXbin display.

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I use it constantly, myself.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:20:08 (permalink)
You're so much fun, Bub. You must have a hectic social calendar with a winning personality like this.
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:20:09 (permalink)
John...that is precisely what I would think of as well. If you need a specific channel...or two let's say...then you can expand the thing...

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:20:14 (permalink)
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People are already complaining on here about how small the fonts are in the PC's EQ module ... how big do you think they are going to be if you limit an analyzer screen to the fixed width of the Pro Channel? Pretty small I'd say.
And those complaining of course won't have to buy it.........
I'd rather see them concentrate on fixing a few more bugs than waste time producing a limited crippleware version of something that's readily available for free.
So where do I get the free analyser that brings it's display to the front when I select the track? Link please...
You can set them all to display any way you would like with screensets. Or are they becoming too inconvenient for your current argument as well?

;)


If that is possible using screensets, I don't know how to do it. If you know how to have a vst interface autoshow when clicking on a track and autohide when clicking on another I'm all ears. As big a leap forward in workflow as screensets are they can't make up for the limitations of the VSTs that they display.

It is of course possible to have different prochannel open/closed states in screensets so I could have analysers visible in one console view and hidden in another, but I need CW to provide me with the analyser first......
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:24:41 (permalink)
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As I was saying, I can think of a use case where smaller views are superior to larger views. The way I imagine it is this:



So you've got some degree of live metering for all channels at once. I'd find that really useful for a high level pass at tracking down mix problems. Then you could open something larger and more detailed for working individual tracks. It's not an either / or proposition.


This would be great. A very good idea!

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:26:12 (permalink)
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As I was saying, I can think of a use case where smaller views are superior to larger views. The way I imagine it is this:



So you've got some degree of live metering for all channels at once. I'd find that really useful for a high level pass at tracking down mix problems. Then you could open something larger and more detailed for working individual tracks. It's not an either / or proposition.


Stop teasing John T, I'm dribbling here.........
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:28:53 (permalink)
The best feature, the way I imagine it, is that when you donwload the update, it figures out where you live from your IP address, and an armed stooge is dispatched from Cakewalk to make you use it and only it at gunpoint.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:30:45 (permalink)
Did they get you too? I thought it was just me and Bub.......
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:32:39 (permalink)
"Bud"
Nobody I don't use CV anymore because they crippled the FXbin display.

Certainly not true in my case. And I would appreciate not being included in your meaningless blanket statements.
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:33:54 (permalink)
John what you show is exactly what I thought about when I was asked the question about what would I like in PC and an analyzer was given as an option. 

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 17:41:17 (permalink)
I'd love to something like that ... 

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/11 23:21:43 (permalink)
That is pretty nice...   Did you put a request for that, John T?    Very worthwhile IMHO.
 

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/12 00:32:12 (permalink)
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"Bud"

Nobody I don't use CV anymore because they crippled the FXbin display.

Certainly not true in my case. And I would appreciate not being included in your meaningless blanket statements.

Use the CV ALL THE TIME... S.O.P. for most especially nowadays when dual monitors are more of the norm.

 
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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/12 00:33:26 (permalink)
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As I was saying, I can think of a use case where smaller views are superior to larger views. The way I imagine it is this:



So you've got some degree of live metering for all channels at once. I'd find that really useful for a high level pass at tracking down mix problems. Then you could open something larger and more detailed for working individual tracks. It's not an either / or proposition.





John you are a get it done visionary...  Like it.


 
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This was a Prochannel survey. Why this thread started the way Mike introduced it is in a word MISLEADING.

I think the survey was well done, and I appreciate the opportunity to have input to an aspect of X1 that clearly puts Sonar ahead of the competition - (Yes Dave, it blows R out of the game) I think of it like this, my need/want for UAD effects is fading...

I also suggested an option to have a different type of prochannel strip for guitars and bass.  I would like to have that handy channel strip available with something modeled after the J-Station at my fingertips for all of the guitar work I do here. Gtr-Rig is not my go-to tool.

The anti-prochannel folks would fuss, but I bet a lot of gtr players would love it!!


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John T


As I was saying, I can think of a use case where smaller views are superior to larger views. The way I imagine it is this:



So you've got some degree of live metering for all channels at once. I'd find that really useful for a high level pass at tracking down mix problems. Then you could open something larger and more detailed for working individual tracks. It's not an either / or proposition.





John you are a get it done visionary...  Like it.
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Alegria


"Bud"

Nobody I don't use CV anymore because they crippled the FXbin display.

Certainly not true in my case. And I would appreciate not being included in your meaningless blanket statements.

Use the CV ALL THE TIME... S.O.P. for most especially nowadays when dual monitors are more of the norm.


I spend more time in Console View than any other, so the above comments apply to me as well.

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Re:*** WHY DIDN"T THE SURVEY ASK IF I WAS GOING TO BUY ANY EFFECTS??? IT SEEMS LIKE IT... 2012/03/12 06:48:12 (permalink)
Why didn't the survey ask if I liked cheese with my wine?

All DAW owners perfer cheese over crackers!

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